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Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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15 inch MBP is too bulky and too hot for this - this is why I'd like to get a smaller ARM based device and go client/server. Ideally Apple would push out a 2in1 with touch but they are set on pushing iOS for touch - which is just too limited for all intents and purposes. I would gladly buy a premium Lenovo 2in1 or some Ryzen 5xxx series ultra portable windows laptop (they are much better on thermals from what I've se…

I've ended up splitting the difference with my desktop and my surface go. The surface go is portable and easy to bring around, the desktop has the power, if I need it on the surface I just remote in to the desktop. My laptop (a Dell XPS), basically now only exists for flights/abroad trips where I might need more power than the surface go but reliable connectivity is not guaranteed. Which means it hasn't been used thi…

Yeah this was an option I was considering as well - surface line is really good as well - but I would prefer a Ryzen machine if I went for a Windows device, they seemed to have nailed power efficiency in the 4 series and 5 should improve on that.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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I prefer a desktop because: 1. I like big, big monitors. 2. I prefer a full size keyboard. 3. I prefer a separate mouse. 4. I prefer big freaking disk drives installed. 5. I put the desktop under my desk, and with a wireless keyboard and wireless mouse, there is much less of a snarl on my desk. 6. The desktop has an optical drive I still use. 7. The desktop has lots of USB ports and they're all in use. 8. I can repla…

> Premade powerful computers are always "gaming machines" ... Only for consumer level ones. Higher end ones are "workstations" and can generally be specced from mid-range-consumer-level to almost-a-friggin-supercomputer-node. ;) As a bonus, no RGB. :) Examples: * https://www.quietpc.com/sys-amd-workstation * https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/workstations-isv-certif... * https://www8.hp.com/us/en/workstations/deskt…

I can highly recommend QuietPC - my desktop is superb, it's powerful and completely silent.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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I've worked on a laptop for the past decade but I use a dedicated keyboard, mouse almost exclusively and a large 34'' monitor (2x24 previously). Advantages of using a laptop : - portability - I work as a consultant and I need to work on premises occasionally - if I had to switch between desktop/laptop it would be too cumbersome - standalone when you need it - when I travel or am on vacation I usually need to do a few…

Re: Thermals Check out iStat, it gives you the ability to set a fan curve and that has helped quite a bit with my laptops Thermals. I found the highest rpm I could run without hearing the fans and set the two lowest points in the curve to keep it at/under that point and I almost never hear my fans anymore. Only time I really hear them now is when something is compiling and even then it's much more bearable since I ke…

Thanks but I tried this a long time ago - it does help with random tasks yoyoing the fans (which was extremely annoying) but running a device emulator + Android studio and a build service sends the laptop in to 747 mode - the only way I found to solve this is use Volta and disable turbo boost (I'm not sure if under-volt is working properly sometimes it seems to help sometimes it doesn't - I haven't actually measured)

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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15 inch MBP is too bulky and too hot for this - this is why I'd like to get a smaller ARM based device and go client/server. Ideally Apple would push out a 2in1 with touch but they are set on pushing iOS for touch - which is just too limited for all intents and purposes. I would gladly buy a premium Lenovo 2in1 or some Ryzen 5xxx series ultra portable windows laptop (they are much better on thermals from what I've se…

I'd like to get a smaller ARM based device and go client/server I'd like to be more client-server these days too, using whatever device is convenient at the time but storing my data centrally so all my devices can access it, it's all systematically secured and backed up, I can also access it remotely via VPN, etc. The key thing, though, is that I want it to be my server , not someone else's that I don't control and h…

Yep - I plan to build a Ryzen workstation and SSH into it if I find a satisfactory client device.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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I prefer a desktop because: 1. I like big, big monitors. 2. I prefer a full size keyboard. 3. I prefer a separate mouse. 4. I prefer big freaking disk drives installed. 5. I put the desktop under my desk, and with a wireless keyboard and wireless mouse, there is much less of a snarl on my desk. 6. The desktop has an optical drive I still use. 7. The desktop has lots of USB ports and they're all in use. 8. I can repla…

Yes on all points except 10. You can buy fairly powerful desktops configured with just the on chip graphics or inexpensive business class graphics cards. I'll add a '13' to your list. 13. Bluetooth is evil, and any desktop I have seen with Bluetooth had it on a mini-pcie card, and could be yanked. My desktop is always cabled via 1Gb Ethernet, so if yanking the BT also loses the WiFi, I don't really care. If you are u…

I thought mini-PCIe isn't a thing anymore on desktops? As far as I'm aware, they generally use either

1. M.2 cards

2. Full-size PCIe cards (WiFi+Bluetooth combo cards, the Bluetooth part may actually connect to an internal USB header)

3. USB dongles

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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Do they still make iMacs? My main computer is a 2015 5K iMac, maxed out for that class, and it is way faster than all the much-newer MacBook Pros (that I also use, at other desks/when traveling/etc)

That's interesting, I had never considered an iMac because I always thought they were designed as lower-spec family workstations. These look like the middle ground I was hoping to find. I'm still not sure I like the form factor, but I'll certainly consider this when it's time to replace my current system. Thanks!

I used to think the same thing - my previous workhorse was a Mac Pro, but I switched to the iMac to get "Retina" back in 2015 (hard/annoying on Mac Pro at the time), and it totally impressed me.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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I didn't see any specific numbers in reply to your comment, so I just want to point out that base clock Ghz for Intel and AMD is much higher for desktop CPUs than laptops. For your average click-read cycle, this feels better. At full load, it depends on the heat dissipation; Dell's Precision 7XX0 dissipates heat well enough to keep the CPUs from throttling, but the 5XX0 does not.

Which form factor of the Dell's 7XX0 are you talking about?

The 7550 is a 15” laptop.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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EFI as a standard needs to be better implemented, but TPMs are your friend when you can change the keys.

I switched back to desktops when the 1st gen Ryzen 8-cores came out and haven't regretted it for a second. Bigger screens, beefy specs, more connectivity, and all of it is incredible value given the price of some 13-14 inch laptops!

I can go actually as light as I would like on my laptop now, even something ARM so that's a plus too, if you don't need mobility and beefy specs at the same time.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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I said if your nvme is reaching 80+ degrees then you should fix the airflow in the case. I did not say the case is 80 degrees. Any semi decent airflow is 100% capable of running an nvme without causing any performance issues.

As you saw in the article I linked that's just not true. Those temps are with airflow, and SSDs go over their temp limit.

Nope. That article states the the ssd was 'naked' which leads me to believe they removed the sticker off it. Those stickers/labels are use to dissipate heat from the controller, so you, you know, don't need a heatsink. They act as a heatsink.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzSIfxHppPY&t=375s

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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> I know that new "open" laptops are still available, but most of them--the System76's, the Purisms, etc.--are overpriced in my opinion This quote suggest to me the author is an integral part of the problem. Companies are ALWAYS trying to increase their profitability. If they can lock down the computer, they can drop the price while _increasing_ CLTV. That’s why System76 is more expensive. They’re NOT overpriced. The…

> If they can lock down the computer, they can drop the price while _increasing_ CLTV. How much? I bet it's not much. > That’s why System76 is more expensive. They’re NOT overpriced. They’re priced as “general purpose computers” must be to be competitive. They're so much more expensive because they're niche. Not because of anything inherent to the product or producing it. So "overpriced" sounds fair to me. > I agree…

> They're so much more expensive because they're niche. Not because of anything inherent to the product or producing it.

Careful, your ignorance is showing.

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