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Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by creato »

rgrs wrote: post #617
duxup wrote: post #86

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Would something decentralized help? I don't think people want that. The_Donald involved a lot of spreading their message / fake news sites / spamming across other subs and etc. Do people want to be on a platform where other folks on the same platform are targeting their community with dishonest and often bigoted content? I'm also not sure how much The_Donald was as a community. The sheer volume of users at its height…

Fake news for us, but not to those who were part of it. It wasn't fake news at all. They are going to group again somewhere else. The member might see this as action to silence. This could make them even more angry and isolated. Reddit meanwhile will be a unreliable source of information to them.

Reddit should be considered an unreliable source of information to everyone.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by pjc50 »

afiori wrote: post #526
striking wrote: post #145

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As someone who's moderated a community, this is exactly what things feel like. Especially given that our community has an explicit focus on freedom of expression (and what a thorn in our side that's ended up being) We've adopted pretty vague rules as a result, with a lot of room for interpretation, and rather than changing the rules often we've just updated our interpretations and communicated them with the community…

From this point of view I would almost prefer sites to adopt just overall stricter rules, strictly moderating both tone and "off-topic" content tuned to each individual forum. I think that a lot of communities had a passion for cultivating a freedom of expression, but actually had a lot of unspoken/unrealized rules in mind. In my opinion a lot of communities would gain a lot by a flashing banner "We decide what conte…

Rather like the serious end of anarchism, recognising that the price of freedom is taking responsibility for yourself. And it breaks down with scaling in the same way.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by chippy »

skrowl wrote: post #362
drocer88 wrote: post #98

20th Century Dystopian novels are now operations manuals.

It's very sad how many leftist are cheering on the censorship. Forcible silencing of opposing views is a central tenant of actual fascism (not the kind of "fascism" that kids on social media accuse people of just for disagreeing with them). History repeats itself, it would seem. This is a modern day book burning.

If we look at history and the Left then censorship also goes hand in hand with it.

The common factor is authoritarianism. Zizek makes a difference in that the left always consider the offender as just brainwashed and potentially redeemable (hence, siberia work prisons) versus the right as irredeemable and non human (hence, death camps).

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by komali2 »

TheGrim-888 wrote: post #204
komali2 wrote: post #144

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And then the site exploded, and it had to learn how to handle things like actual nazis calling for the deaths of jewish people. I'm not sure I see where the joke is - this was inevitable.

I spent years on that subreddit and never once saw somebody that identified as a Nazi calling for the deaths of Jewish people. I bet you can't find any such examples. Your viewpoints of the world are based on hearsay and propaganda, not facts and logic.

Which subreddit? /r/the_donald? I was talking about the site in general, which did have explicit hate subreddits, which Reddit started struggling to grapple with back in 2015. I do find it kinda funny though that you saw an accusation of antisemitism and immediately started defending /r/the_donald.

It is worth noting that I did see explicit and implicit (((antisemitism) on /r/the_donald, but also, no examples are possible anymore, as the subreddit is gone /shrug

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by himlion »

nkohari wrote: post #618
himlion wrote: post #548

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Way back when r/the_donald just started when his campaign began, many people including me thought it was an ironic subreddit and treated it as such. Then suddenly Trump gained momentum and the subreddit turned out to be for real.

I'm still convinced that it was a joke in the beginning, and then the subreddit saw an influx of people who didn't get the joke.

That's definitely also my impression. The only point against that theory is the moderation. I don't think someone who started that as a joke would let it become what it was at the end. unless maybe someone related to the Trump campaign bought those accounts of course.

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Post by cryptoz »

newfriend wrote: post #594
cryptoz wrote: post #358

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> We all know reddit leans a bit left Do we? I think reddit 'leans a bit right' if anything. Especially in the city-level subreddits or country-level, or communities like that, there is (in my experience) a heavy-handed right-leaning attitude. I noticed this about 10 years ago and it has gotten much much more pronounced. The subreddit r/canada turned extreme-far-right about 10 years ago. Most of the cities I live in…

> I think reddit 'leans a bit right' This has to be a joke. Either you are so 'left-wing' that you consider Obama, Biden, etc, as 'right-wing', or you are ignoring the vast majority of the site. 'left-wing' views are not 'tolerated', they are celebrated. There are consistent 60k+ upvoted 'trump bad', 'obama good', 'republicans bad' posts from default subs. When's the last time you've seen anything 'right-leaning' on…

I am not joking, and yes Obama and Biden are very clearly right-wing politicians. I have not seen a single actually left-wing policy out of either of them.

Also, please don't assume the people you're talking to online are 'joking' when they express their serious views. It's against HN guidelines to assume such bad faith in my answers.

> 'left-wing' views are not 'tolerated', they are celebrated.

I don't see that at all on reddit.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by iron0013 »

foogazi wrote: post #400
TheGrim-888 wrote: post #204

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I spent years on that subreddit and never once saw somebody that identified as a Nazi calling for the deaths of Jewish people. I bet you can't find any such examples. Your viewpoints of the world are based on hearsay and propaganda, not facts and logic.

> I spent years on that subreddit But why ?

There’s a clue in his username...

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by iateanapple »

freen wrote: post #572
iateanapple wrote: post #522

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I see someone isn’t a fan of Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement. What’s your evidence that left wing violence exceeds right wing? By the by, a lot of the “left wing” violence recently was caused by right wing militia “boogaloo” people. https://www.salon.com/2020/06/17/far-right-boogaloo-boy-kill...

> I see someone isn’t a fan of Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement.

Organizations change.

In the same way that just because the democratic party has a horribly racist history doesn’t make the current party horribly racist.

> By the by, a lot of the “left wing” violence recently was caused by right wing militia “boogaloo” people.

The “boogaloo” are a conspiracy theory.

Which is more believable:

1) A far-left wing group that has been around for decades and part of many violent protests across Europe and has branches in the US is involved in another set of left wing violent protests.

Or

2) A right wing group that nobody has heard of and doesn’t seem to be associated with any of the exisiting far-right movements has deeply infiltrated left wing protests and is causing trouble.

Since I’m partial to conspiracy theories (2) might be possible if it’s actually the feds.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by komali2 »

ryankemper wrote: post #256
komali2 wrote: post #144

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And then the site exploded, and it had to learn how to handle things like actual nazis calling for the deaths of jewish people. I'm not sure I see where the joke is - this was inevitable.

> And then the site exploded, and it had to learn how to handle things like actual nazis calling for the deaths of jewish people. Oh, so is that why they banned The Donald? Or any of the other number of subreddits they have quarantined and slowly killed?

No, they banned those subreddits for violating the rules, specifically

> promoting hate based on identity or vulnerability

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by afiori »

augustt wrote: post #24
zozbot234 wrote: post #5

Press F to Pay Respects. BTW, the unofficial successor (as listed on the subreddit itself before the ban) is alive and well at thedonald.win

Let's see how they're doing... highest post, stickied: > title: you are far more likely to die from shootings in nyc than the 'rona > headline 1: The New Normal in NYC? 11 People Shot In Under 12 Hours. > headline 2: New York Reports Just 8 Deaths As Cuomo ... Create however many platforms you want, can't fix weapons-grade stupidity.

Sorry, but what are exactly saying here? That the headlines are false? that they are comparing apples to oranges? That it is out of context? I could believe any of them, but it is unclear what you are implying.

From just looking at the headlines I can only infer a 11/12 death/hours > 8/24 death/hours

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