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Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by tartoran »

jelliclesfarm wrote: post #621
tartoran wrote: post #586

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They could literally move anywhere with that money and live like proverbial kings. But I’m not for or against prop 13, I was just saying. My friends parents retired and moved to Portugal. Best move they could ever make, they’re happy, well settled, etc..

maybe they dont want to move. i am genuinely flabbergasted by the number of people who think seniors should just pick up and 'move elsewhere'. how is this different from someone telling an accented immigrant to 'go back home'? many retired folks want to stay with their families and grandchildren. finally enjoy their communities after decades of working and paying off bills and mortgages. perhaps some would want to ca…

Not saying they should move, just pointing that theres a great opportuniy many don’t see or are aware it exists where moving can buy you a whole lot more in terms of quality of life, healthcare, property.. For that money they could move together with family and still have plenty of resources left. Cali is no longer worth it with everything that is going on right now. Just saying not imposing anything...

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by lalos »

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I'll chime in and say that I just moved from California to Washington in September of last year. While its not a huge change, its enough to make a difference. Factors on why I did it: - Housing costs #1. I got into a rent controlled 2 bedroom 1100 sqft duplex unit. It was ok, but the landlord sucked and the place was very unmaintained, and i was paying $2800 a month. No yard, no garage, tons of homeless around diggin…

> Washington has no State tax Surely you mean income tax. Oregon is the state that lacks sales tax and makes up for it with an income tax. Also, I'm not sure why your grocery bill would go down compared to California. Moving from LA to Bellevue, I noticed groceries cost more up here. Both states don't apply sales tax to groceries, at least. It also costs a bit more to eat out here vs. LA, at least at the low end. Pro…

Groceries in WA have no sales tax unless it’s something produced by an employee on the store (sandwich made on the spot) or alcohol.

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Post by agensaequivocum »

dmode wrote: post #640
agensaequivocum wrote: post #550

Having left Orange County California for Phoenix Arizona in early 2019, I definitely plan on staying. We can easily afford a house, the community here is unbelievably better (many young large families, an amazing Diocese), lower income and property taxes, cheaper gas, constitutional carry. Sure it may get a little hot in the summer but you can easily drive up to Flagstaff to escape the heat, and, in the winter, go sk…

Having lived in Arizona for 3 years, IMO, it is one of the worst places to live in the US

Why?

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Post by sun_bear »

asdff wrote: post #617
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CA's income tax is very high. The effective tax rate is 7%+ for most tech workers. That's a huge amount of income to give up, especially if you're comparing to a state with no or low income tax.

Should be higher imo

Nobody is preventing you from paying more. Problem solved.

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Post by dctoedt »

JamesBarney wrote: post #634
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As far as I could tell, everyone in Dallas/Austin/Houston/San Antonio lives in gated communities with almost nothing in walking distance and very, very few people walking around.

I live in Houston and I'll agree it's not a great place to walk except for a few expensive neighborhoods but I've never notice any gated communities.

Here in Houston we have a few gated communities here and there, e.g., Stablewood, just outside the West Loop and off of Memorial Drive to the south. Agreed about the walking.

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Post by xyzzyz »

asdff wrote: post #611
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Yes, and I haven’t seen anything suggesting that it’s Prop 13 that’s responsible for majority of the premium in California’s housing costs compared to other states. It’s not nothing, but it pales in comparison to zoning regulations and requirements for environmental traffic etc impact studies that drag on and on.

some numbers: https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/mac.20160327

Indeed. 15% is not nothing, but if house prices in California went down by as much, they wouldnt suddenly become affordable.

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Post by messick »

wahern wrote: post #535
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Yeah, no. Reality doesn’t bear out with your theory.

Jerry Brown was a conservative by any historical understanding of the term, and he won in a landslide. Gavin Newsom is also relatively moderate. For example, he's made it clear that it's simply not economically feasible to throw money at homeless housing (because he literally tried that in SF as mayor). And hit the pause button on high-speed rail (which is basically a death sentence). Newsom rose up through the San F…

California is a “one party state” because Gov Pete Wilson and the CA GOP went after the racist vote in the mid 90’s to get re-elected by heavily supporting Prop 187, which denied all state services to undocumented immigrants. Until then, it was relatively conservative.

Turns out that (thankfully) there aren’t enough racists for keep control of the state government, and since then the CA GOP has become basically irrelevant.

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Post by api »

messick wrote: post #657
wahern wrote: post #535

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Jerry Brown was a conservative by any historical understanding of the term, and he won in a landslide. Gavin Newsom is also relatively moderate. For example, he's made it clear that it's simply not economically feasible to throw money at homeless housing (because he literally tried that in SF as mayor). And hit the pause button on high-speed rail (which is basically a death sentence). Newsom rose up through the San F…

California is a “one party state” because Gov Pete Wilson and the CA GOP went after the racist vote in the mid 90’s to get re-elected by heavily supporting Prop 187, which denied all state services to undocumented immigrants. Until then, it was relatively conservative. Turns out that (thankfully) there aren’t enough racists for keep control of the state government, and since then the CA GOP has become basically irrel…

In the long term I think the national GOP is doing this by going after racists, extreme fundamentalists, and other fanatics.

The fanatic vote is political cocaine: temporary high, then you need more and more, then your non coke head friends drift away, then you are strung out.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

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> Due to Florida’s population, federal funds are likely to be requested and paid out to mitigate It’s Florida’s population and the fact that it’s a swing state. We really need to get rid of the electoral college. I love how the same voters in Florida that vote for candidates that bail out Florida will vote against any measure to provide broad subsidies like universal healthcare or education. Of course, it just so hap…

The more people your state has, the more representation it has in the Congressional House. This isn’t about the electoral collage, but representation in general. States with more people should have access to a proportional amount of funding.

A swing state’s votes are worth far more than a non swing state. You get the executive branch (president) plus the judicial branch (president picks Supreme Court justices). And almost universally, states with less population receive more in federal tax benefits than states with more population, since they have more congressional power per capita:

https://www.businessinsider.com/federal-taxes-federal-servic...

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

achenatx wrote: post #650
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Being priced out of one's home is a red herring that the low tax zealots want you to believe to keep prop 13 in place. Somehow in the 49 other states that don't have Prop 13, people aren't priced out of their homes from taxes. There are other options. There are home equity lines, reverse mortgages, or even freezing tax payments and adding them as liens on the property at time of transfer. But even if you're worried a…

in austin people are getting priced out because of taxes. Mainly poor minorities. It is called gentrification. Houses that were 50K 10 years ago are now 400K with a 2.5% property tax rate. If they are renters, then their rent went up to cover the taxes. In my area houses are up to 1m+ which results in property taxes of 25K/year so even middle class families and retirees are getting taxed out. The city is trying to ap…

High density isn’t the answer either. I don’t know one high density city in the entire world where housing became affordable and available for all as density increased.

Medium density and spreading out is the right solution. The example that comes to mind is the snail shell structure/concentric circle design of Paris, France.

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