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Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Post by vidarh »

fgonzag wrote: post #354
vidarh wrote: post #161

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Judging by what ends up in my gmail, very few people "can deliver to gmail" in any kind of reliable fashion. It depends entirely on how messed up the spam filtering is for individual accounts. The only reason I'm still on Gmail is that it's so entrenched in my life that tidying things up to move is a massive pain and will take a long time (and no, forwarding is not a reliable solution; my experience is that even forw…

Getting started now will make it easier though. I just bought a domain, and started emailing from it and using it for new accounts. I still use both emails, but I always reply from the new one. It's a slow transition, but quite a smooth one (I have email clients that can show an unified inbox). I still have quite a few a accounts under Gmail, but I'll probably do a full change this year. Having control of my email is…

Absolutely, it's gone from "maybe I should move somewhere" to working on untangling things because I know I have to move.

I do have a very old address that is on my own domain, and though that is currently routed to Google, at least that simplifies things a lot, but unfortunately for many years I was not consistently using that address for signing up to things etc.

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Post by angry_octet »

Its like the deep learning has identified a feature it can use to determine spam: is this from the top 10,000 domains? No? It's spam.

Spam from small domains might be pretty high as a category, but of course we don't want statistical judgements about categories to outweigh the merits of the individual. Maybe Google's algorithms have been watching too much Fox News.

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Post by fencepost »

laurentl wrote: post #128
fencepost wrote: post #33

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You can also have more than one device set up for TOTP - phone, previous phone or tablet, desktop using WinAuth or similar. Authy and the password managers will also track those seed values, though it's best to store them separately from your actual password storage. Another thing that will not migrate phone to phone is Signal conversations if you're inclined to keep those.

Yes, I lost my Signal conversation history as well and had to be re-added to all group conversations (another PITA). How do you store seed values in password managers? More specifically: how do you export them from Coogle Authenticator? (I’ve not found that option). And how do you import them again?

I'm unaware of any options to export, that would be a security issue.

To store the seed values, simply store the text provided for use if you can't use the qr code.

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Post by johnnyhead »

If people stopped using G in such high percentage, then they would most likely need to adapt back to a more open internet, instead of trying to wall it off around their services.

Reminds me of jabber.ccc.de that stopped providing new accounts because they felt they were ruining a federated system.

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Post by majkinetor »

pickdenis wrote: post #385
majkinetor wrote: post #250

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New UI really makes Gmail barely usable, basically on any kind of connection. Since it came into being, I avoid checking gmail because its unbearably slow and buggy. I have 20 years of XP in this industry and build large gov services, and I am astonished that Google allows itself such a failure. If you want, I will make a gif of Gmail unresponsiveness in default Chrome browser on 50MB connection - taking more then a…

Just use the "basic HTML" view. When the new design is loading, there will be a link at the bottom to click to use basic HTML, and then there will be a button to set it as default. I use this and have (almost) zero complaints. It is an excellent mail client.

Was never fun of 1995 Internet design really. I do use it, but it looks terrible, organizational capabilites are limited and ... did I say it looks terrible ?

Not to mention it always returns to default view, so you need to click html view each time.

I know its not politically correct and I am sorry that some people will have their feelings hurt, but lets pretend that we speak to grown ups for a moment and not 13 year old teenage girls: the GMail is gigantic pile of shit and due to the fact that personal or other non-shitty mails will be blocked because they do not fit Google agenda, there is really no easy way out of this lock-in. Making it euphemistic and diplomatic counts in my world as dishonesty so if you do so, go freck yourself too because you are contributing to destruction of this nice planet we live in.

At least I have freedom to express and say here that Google can go fuck themselves (minuses are welcome, counting morons is my interpretation), and please Google PMs, take those words as my default response any time when Google Something asks me on a phone 'Hey, you were at XYZ, how was it?' during those 3 seconds I keep GPS on. Please make default answer - go fuck yourself, thats how.

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Post by ericol »

eggsome wrote: post #576
mthoms wrote: post #344

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>Also, I think that right now companies like Google and FB should be treated and reasoned about like states. To think that they will not abuse their power in one way or the other - just like countries do - is also "a little" naive. That companies this big ought to be reasoned about just like Nation States is a very interesting idea.

Forcing mega corps to assume the responsibility of statehood is one of the key plot points in the "Poor mans fight" series of books. (some of the best sci-fi I've read in a while too).

Hey, thanks for that. Interesting. I'll take a look at those books.

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Post by yeahitslikethat »

jodrellblank wrote: post #617
yeahitslikethat wrote: post #467

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If something happens a trillion times a day with .00001 error rate, then 50 MILLION things went wrong, affecting, say 50,000 people. 50 of them blast twitter and it seems the world is collapsing. The world is resilient.

If there are 50,000 people and 50,000 people experience problems, that's bad. If there are 5 million people and 50,000 experience problems, that's fine? Isaac Asimov's comments about world population increase involved something about this; the more people there are, the more each individual is dehumanised and rendered irrelevant (my paraphrasing).

No I don't think it's fine at all. I think Google, twatter, Facebook, et al don't care because 50 people and who they represent don't matter to them compared to the money they make.

When all rounded up it isn't even a single penny on the balance sheet. The owners of these businesses literally never even know from the their only view into the companies.

I have no idea why I'm being downvoted on this. Hackers can't do math or what?

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Post by ericol »

arrosenberg wrote: post #376
mthoms wrote: post #344

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>Also, I think that right now companies like Google and FB should be treated and reasoned about like states. To think that they will not abuse their power in one way or the other - just like countries do - is also "a little" naive. That companies this big ought to be reasoned about just like Nation States is a very interesting idea.

Alternatively, we could reject the notion entirely and revive the antitrust movement. Centralized private power is just as, if not more, dangerous than centralized public power and we aught to have a discussion about whether nation-state size companies are really a desirable feature.

I think both the approaches in your comment and the one above (Or any comment to that matter) are worthy of a lengthy discussion.

But my point was more directed towrds understanding how companies this big are starting to behave.

I do think antitrust is a way to look at it, but the anti trust laws in the US I think are difficult to point towards Google for instance (Probably the same about European laws)

> we aught to have a discussion about whether nation-state size companies are really a desirable feature

I think it goes a way longer than that. Obviously private companies are subjected to a lot less scrutiny than states, but states do miss behave and do not run into the risk of eternal intervention, unless they really fuck up, and even then.

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Post by ericol »

LocalPCGuy wrote: post #461
ericol wrote: post #285

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I live in Argentina. Few years back, an ex government official from the previous government was caught in the act of hiding 8 million dollars in a church. My partner's auncle was also an ex government official from the previous government. He was in charge of the country's office for regulation work in rural areas. Up to that point, he was a complete believer that the government he was part of, was there to really ch…

As I started to read this, I SOOO wanted it to continue on like this: > I have this 8 million from the church, but I need to get it out of the country in order to spend it ...

Why stop there, and not go full nigerian scam, Argentinian style.
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