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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by me551ah » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 2:43 PM UTC

swalladge wrote: post #305

TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

No, I tell my friends and family to use Firefox. There is more than one decent browser out there. I don't like the idea of everything using the Chromium engine; monoculture _is_ bad and we shouldn't put our eggs in the one basket. That said, IE and Edge have historically been terrible both compatibility and performance-wise. It's not just websites that aren't tested in Edge - my experience with Edge is that all aspec…

I recently made the switch to Firefox from chrome. Webrender is a revolution in web technology since it primarily uses the GPU for rendering resulting in much faster and smoother websites. I'd urge everyone to give webrender a shot, it feels noticeably smoother than chrome.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 2:49 PM UTC

opencl wrote: post #633

glenneroo wrote: post #559

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Maybe one "feature" is that Edge is the only browser where Netflix runs with 1080p (1920 x 1080 i.e. full HD) streaming due to requirements of the encryption layer (within Windows?) not working with other browsers. I verify this regularly with Chrome/FF/Edge. It's unfortunate that Edge is such a horrible experience, 1080p is rarely worth it, as Edge crashes or jitters a lot, even when running on Ryzen 8-core, 64GB RA…

There are FF/Chrome extensions that make Netflix run at 1080p. It is a DRM problem but apparently the DRM is not very effective. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/force-1080p-n... https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/netflix-1080p/cank...

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by Bird2920 » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 2:52 PM UTC

TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

Developers just need to do their due diligence to ensure their sites and products work on the entire spectrum. Including Opera, Safari, Chromium, Firefox, ie/edge, etc. Does it really add that much development time to just open a site and compare across multiple browsers?

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by Torwald » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 2:55 PM UTC

watersb wrote: post #308

Torwald wrote: post #231

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I don't test for browsers. I test for web standards.

web standards encompass a vast collection of specifications. It is reasonable to expect implementations to diverge. Then there is the rapid adoption of mobile platforms, which have become mass-market while at the same time evolving very rapidly, new versions every year. The result is a dispersive medium, a combinatoric sea of browsers, iOS and Android versions, and a crazy variety of form factors. Simply attempting t…

> Simply attempting to adhere to web standards is not sufficient.

It is sufficient. The trick is to be good at marketing. What I mean by that is to niche your product properly and not to care about the rest.

Gives you a much better overall structure for you business in every regard as well.

I can discuss this point further…

The other point here is the question of wether we should force browser vendors to comply to standards. Like we did back then on the desktop to end the browser wars.

Again, I would discuss this point further…

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by gwbas1c » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 2:57 PM UTC

Hell has frozen over!

I occasionally use Edge in my Windows VMs. It's just kind of... Well... I'm not sure, but I like Chrome better.

The irony is that I religiously used Explorer for years because I believed that the browser isn't an accessory; the browser provided with the computer should be good enough. I only switched to Chrome because the multiprocess model made it easy to kill that one misbehaving tab that was hogging CPU.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by saranshk » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 2:59 PM UTC

One less browser for the front-end folks to support in the long run!

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by Torwald » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 3:00 PM UTC

vegasdew wrote: post #334

Torwald wrote: post #231

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I don't test for browsers. I test for web standards.

Is there any tool to test for standards? Also do you use W3C or WhatWG standards? /s

Maybe you should change your profession if the challenges of your current one make you sarcastic.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by oscargrouch » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 3:00 PM UTC

We need to remember MS bought Github recently, and with that Electron. Electron is based on Chrome so..

It makes total sense for them to concentrate the effort in Chromium and Blink, and just reuse it as their default Windows browser.

I think this is much more about Electron than it is about Edge.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by Torwald » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 3:01 PM UTC

zingmars wrote: post #309

Torwald wrote: post #231

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I don't test for browsers. I test for web standards.

So you've never actually shipped a product?

If logic isn't your forte, try sales. You may be good at it.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by tssva » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 3:01 PM UTC

sametmax wrote: post #547

headmelted wrote: post #310

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It's not really better though - having only two real browsers is not good for open standards or the open web. This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it , and starts using Chromium too. Staring into my crystal ball tells me Firefox will become "janky" in the eyes of users on account of how many sites don't…

> This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it, and starts using Chromium too. It seems very unlikely: - Mozilla has been in a far worse uderdog position before during the IE6 era, with way more incompatible sites and less funding. - Mozilla is not for profit. Fighting for the open Web is one of their goal.…

>Firefox is now a fast, lean and fantastic browser again.

This is not my experience. On my MacBook Pro it is slow and tends to cause system lockups on a regular basis. Everytime there is a new announcement about how the new Firefox has improved performance and stability I give it a try and each time am disappointed.

On my phone the Firefox browser is almost unusably slow and slow enough that it can't replace Chrome. Mozilla has released other mobile browsers which perform faster but they lack the features I need in my browser.