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Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by apexe »

roystonvassey wrote: post #586

I am a huge fan of Apple's products and never understood the fuss when the new Pro Keyboard attracted bad press, reading it on my old, robust pre-2015 era Macbook. Until now. I got the new one at my job three months back. And, here I am, still struggling with and super annoyed with the missed keystrokes (the buttons are so thin/don't press properly), the almost non-existent 'Enter' keys (seriously, who messes with th…

I am in the same boat. Received one at work and can not stand the keyboard. I requested an older model, but they are no longer providing them. It might seem dramatic, but I spend my days typing and I need my keyboard to not get in my way. I have resorted to bringing a USB keyboard into work with me.

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Post by coldseattle »

I wonder if most Apple users, and the ones they tested the keyboard with, simply don't use the machines very much. Their core demographic update their social media profiles, and sit in coffeeshops, but how many of them write software? The people here are certainly important for their business, but were missed when Apple was designing a machine for appearance and not functionality.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by aclsid »

isostatic wrote: post #374
Symbiote wrote: post #315

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> Running Linux, of course. I wish more people would. That's the best way to get any issues fixed, whether by filing bug reports, writing up a workaround on a wiki or Stackoverflow to help others, or fixing the bug. It's important for us to own our own tools, and keep the right to do with them as we wish. We expect this for our servers, but ignore it for laptops and desktops. If developers continue like this, then us…

What bugs? I haven't had a hardware problem in linux since 2005. I do have a problem reading visio files though. I have a solution, I tell them to f-off and send me a pdf if they want my views.

Just get a Vega 64 AMD and see how you fare. Oh and no AMD wattman for you either.

I use Linux, but it does have limitations, especially when it comes to compatible hardware (mostly due to the manufacturer releasing no/bad drivers) and gaming.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by kalleboo »

no1youknowz wrote: post #408

Apple. This issue is seriously simple. Take the previous design, you know the one from late 2012 to 2015. If you must (sigh), take out the SD card, HDMI, USB A, MagSafe and replace with USB-C. I don't know who suggested this, but whatever. Don't add in a touch bar. Don't add in an over sized touchpad. Leave the keyboard alone. The layout of the model is amazing. I purchased a late 2012 in Jan '13. It's been my daily…

I have the 2017 15", and my wishlist is just

* Fix the keyboard's reliability

* Remove the touchbar

* Give us back those last Wh and bump the battery back up to 99 (right under the FAA limit)

* Improve the thermals (if this means making the machine thicker, then sure). In summer (with aircon set to 26 C) I can't plug my laptop in to charge and use Xcode without it overheating and throttling. Same issue affected my old 2012 rMBP so it's not a new issue.

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Post by pc86 »

virtuabhi wrote: post #649
plaidfuji wrote: post #641

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In addition to all of these valid complaints, it's also loud!

So true. Earlier in meetings we can go about silently browsing or replying to emails. But now the keyboard is so loud that we have to apologize to the speaker!

Or the alternative, paying attention.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by kalleboo »

Elect2 wrote: post #513
ryenus wrote: post #476

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The 2015 MBP is still available, though not that obviously: https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs-2015/

No it's not available. If you click the "Buy" button, it will redirect you to the newest macbook page

On the page you're redirected to, select 15" and then scroll down a bit and it's there.

They're trying their best to hide it, but it's there.

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Post by noir_lord »

admg wrote: post #614
pedrocr wrote: post #507

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This is trivial to fix actually. Ubuntu 16.04 had "fractional" scaling by default but in reality all it did was between 1x and 2x use 1x with larger fonts. 18.04 lost that with the gnome transition but you can just change the font scaling manually. Less convenient and polished but still there in the tweak tool. Firefox also includes a scaling option in the configs. With those two settings my T460s with the 2560x1440…

Thats interesting to know, thanks for the tip!

FWIW I do the same as suggested and it's great, font scaling set to 1.4 on a 14"@2560x1440 T470P running @2560x1440 looks nice, the only very slight snag is that font scaling doesn't scale the window decorations but a few themes do work (Numix window decorations).

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Post by maimeowmeow »

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #633
apexalpha wrote: post #621

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>What bugs? I haven't had a hardware problem in linux since 2005. Come on, we all love open source here, but let's be honest: this statement is false.

I assume GP was referring to his/her own experience, not everybody's.

Unless op is using the same laptop for years, but if you ever try connecting some new device to your machine, your in for some configuring at least with mint/debian. Linux is still worth the prodiuctivity gains, but sometimes you spend hours cursing your luck. For a short list off the top of my head.

Plugging in certain android phones, usb wifi, monitors not detected, monitors being forgotten, grub conflicts after windows updates, graphic cards drivers in messed up after apt upgrade shenanigans.

This stuff happens on all my machines, whether dual boot or pure linux. It really makes you feel helpless when your machine randomly stops working properly.

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Post by eumenides1 »

m_st wrote: post #597
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #542

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> Microsoft Surface Bluetooth mouse and keyboard don't work anymore after an idle period of maybe 10 minutes Go into device manager and disable their power saving settings. I had disconnection issues once or twice a week with my MS Designer Mouse and this fixed it.

Or dear! I tried about everything possible but didn't think it could be related to such a generic setting! Found this article that shows where it is: https://www.howtogeek.com/189856/ask-htg-how-can-i-keep-my-b... I searched the web, updated Dell drivers, found some Reddit thread where they explained cryptic settings in the device manager... All of that didn't help. I gave up when I found yet another blog post where…

Make sure you return and tell us if it that fixed your issue.

https://xkcd.com/979/

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