In germany this is called a subway. We also fixed the problem with the queue and people being required to bring their vehicle to use this vehicle.
The Boring Company [video]
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Re: The Boring Company [video]
#652Earlier quoted context omitted.
edit: don't feel like arguing. Best of luck to Musk.
Where have you been exactly? He receives the hype precisely because he has delivered after people insisted he couldn't. He and his companies have delivered the Falcon, Model S, Modex X, and a concept Model 3 set to be delivered soon, along with a Falcon Heavy. If any person were able to deliver even one of those products, they'd be deserving of attention. And that's not even everything he's delivered. If delivering t…
The SpaceX stuff is actually amazing.
The Tesla stuff is over-hyped by people who think that it's currently the global leader in everything they do, be it manufacturing or self-driving tech. In reality, the EV space is competitive as all get out and Tesla is a pretty small player.
The boring stuff? I have no idea.
Re: The Boring Company [video]
#653It's amazing to me the amount of negativity directed toward his projects and the millions of reasons people give for why they "won't work" (not necessarily on HN, but at least on general news websites). I'm starting to believe the only difference between those who start their own companies and those who don't is that the latter convinces themselves that it is impossible, never builds anything, and from their own lack…
Well, that's a well-deserved negativity: they are the Juicero of mass transportation... they are trying to solve a problem that is already resolved with a very complicated and frankly ridiculous solution.
The lack of good mass transit is a political problem: why European mass transit is in general so good and why American mass transit is problematic? It's not a problem of technology. It's Politics, stupid. :)
Re: The Boring Company [video]
#654Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those things aren't free, though. You're paying $500-$1000/month for the luxury of doing those things, compared to the $100-$150 cost of a monthly transit pass. When you consider the costs, cars just don't have the appeal they used to, and you can spend money elsewhere that'll make you just as happy if not happier, especially as more services orient themselves to remove cars from the picture, such as Amazon & grocery…
Yes, of course they aren't free. I also live in a house, that's more expensive than an apartment because I like it more this way. I often don't buy the cheapest food, but the food that I like. I don't want to force cars on anyone - it should be an individual choice of course. What I'm saying is that there are a lot of reasons people want to own cars. It's the choice between working with the existing system to make it…
> It's the choice between working with the existing system to make it better versus demanding that everyone adapts to a new system that you claim is better.
Indeed, which is why we need as a society needs to pay for more rail systems, a tried-and-true mass transit system that's been around a lot longer than the more inefficient cars.
Right now roads are such a wasteful government mess that's completely unprofitable. The personal automotive transport system is a failed experiment that society needs to move on from.
And we need to stop subsidizing the wasteful and destructive suburban lifestyle.
How much more of my money do you want me to pay for your roads so you can have the luxury of riding in comfort?
Is there anything else that you would like me to pay for you?
Re: The Boring Company [video]
#655It's amazing to me the amount of negativity directed toward his projects and the millions of reasons people give for why they "won't work" (not necessarily on HN, but at least on general news websites). I'm starting to believe the only difference between those who start their own companies and those who don't is that the latter convinces themselves that it is impossible, never builds anything, and from their own lack…
Who cares if The Boring Company fails? It looks cool! You know what happens if you don't try? Nothing. You never score for a shot you don't take!
If cities decide that The Boring Company is the way forward and it turns out not to be, that's lost opportunity cost and likely decades of people suffering increasingly poor transport infrastructure leading to more wasted time and less time that people can spend doing important things, like spending time being a productive member of society (not necessarily working a job - things like spending time with family and friends, educating oneself, etc etc, come under this).
Re: The Boring Company [video]
#656Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those things aren't free, though. You're paying $500-$1000/month for the luxury of doing those things, compared to the $100-$150 cost of a monthly transit pass. When you consider the costs, cars just don't have the appeal they used to, and you can spend money elsewhere that'll make you just as happy if not happier, especially as more services orient themselves to remove cars from the picture, such as Amazon & grocery…
Yes, of course they aren't free. I also live in a house, that's more expensive than an apartment because I like it more this way. I often don't buy the cheapest food, but the food that I like. I don't want to force cars on anyone - it should be an individual choice of course. What I'm saying is that there are a lot of reasons people want to own cars. It's the choice between working with the existing system to make it…
> I don't want to force cars on anyone - it should be an individual choice of course.
Ah, and this is where we come to the root of the discussion. Because ultimately the question isn't "Why would ANYONE want to drive cars" (though I confess it was originally presented to you as such), but rather "Why should society and governments INCENTIVIZE continued use of cars."
The Boring Company's proposal here directly benefits people like you (and by the way me - I also love my car), those who can afford that privilege.
But our tax dollars and policies should be going towards systems that benefit the most people, and that will only happen in North America if we fall out of love with the "freedom" promised by our cars and realize that waiting 2-5 minutes at two different transfers, with a total trip length of 15-25% longer (optimistic, but that is realistic in cities with good public transport) is a worthwhile tradeoff for the greater good.
Re: The Boring Company [video]
#657Earlier quoted context omitted.
A well managed train system can manage 1 car per line per 5 minutes. 2000 * 60 / 5 = 24,000 people per hour. Highways can handle 2,000 - 2200 vehicles per lane or so at the low end 1/12 but that's very much an edge case. Most lines are closer to one train every 20 minutes and you can average 3 people per car which makes them equivalent. The real issue is not highways, but what happens when people try and get off or o…
Do you mean a shitty managed train system, right? In London at peak time there is one train every two minutes, in Moscow one per minute. One train every 5 minutes is the off peak frequency in London when you are actually complaining that you are waiting too long.
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Re: The Boring Company [video]
#658As someone who has been in the UG mining industry for the past decade. This is very interesting.
Re: The Boring Company [video]
#659Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those things aren't free, though. You're paying $500-$1000/month for the luxury of doing those things, compared to the $100-$150 cost of a monthly transit pass. When you consider the costs, cars just don't have the appeal they used to, and you can spend money elsewhere that'll make you just as happy if not happier, especially as more services orient themselves to remove cars from the picture, such as Amazon & grocery…
Yes, of course they aren't free. I also live in a house, that's more expensive than an apartment because I like it more this way. I often don't buy the cheapest food, but the food that I like. I don't want to force cars on anyone - it should be an individual choice of course. What I'm saying is that there are a lot of reasons people want to own cars. It's the choice between working with the existing system to make it…
> I don't want to force cars on anyone - it should be an individual choice of course.
Ah, and this is where we come to the root of the discussion. Because ultimately the question isn't "Why would ANYONE want to drive cars" (though I confess it was originally presented to you as such), but rather "Why should society and governments INCENTIVIZE continued use of cars."
The Boring Company's proposal here directly benefits people like you (and by the way me - I also love my car), those who can afford that privilege.
But our tax dollars and policies should be going towards systems that benefit the most people, and that will only happen in North America if we fall out of love with the "freedom" promised by our cars and realize that waiting 2-5 minutes at two different transfers, with a total trip length of 15-25% longer (optimistic, but that is realistic in cities with good public transport) is a worthwhile tradeoff for the greater good.
Re: The Boring Company [video]
#660Earlier quoted context omitted.
A well managed train system can manage 1 car per line per 5 minutes. 2000 * 60 / 5 = 24,000 people per hour. Highways can handle 2,000 - 2200 vehicles per lane or so at the low end 1/12 but that's very much an edge case. Most lines are closer to one train every 20 minutes and you can average 3 people per car which makes them equivalent. The real issue is not highways, but what happens when people try and get off or o…
Do you mean a shitty managed train system, right? In London at peak time there is one train every two minutes, in Moscow one per minute. One train every 5 minutes is the off peak frequency in London when you are actually complaining that you are waiting too long.
At the peak times for the most used stations there is a car that frequently sure, but if use look at the overall system they don't send anywhere close to 60 * 24 = 1440 trains past every station in each direction per day. Further trains going to different stations often share the same track because you need more throughput in the city center than at the furthest stations. But, just because the edge stations get less use does not mean the track is cheaper to construct.