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U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

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Post by epolanski »

rgbrenner wrote: post #283

Im not worried about this at all. The OpenAI, Anthropic and the US government can play this game all they want... They're just accelerating the development of open source models; and helping destroy the lead the US has built in AI, and their profit margins along with it. This is like the battle between PostgreSQL and Oracle all over. Move up market, isolate yourself to enterprises, and watch while everyone else build…

Indeed, it's like people don't understand this is a cataclysm for US AI competitiveness.

You cannot justify such a capex on AI anymore. This will drag down the us financial markets and economy too.

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Post by WarmWash »

Barrin92 wrote: post #296
WarmWash wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On some level though we have to be cognizant of the potential for harm these models have. LLMs are still a little loosey goosey, and we are right on the cusp (if not there already) for an agent to hack a bank and steal money for some rando teenager with a penchant for jail breaking. The regulations are and will be negative, but don't lose sight of what LLMs can do off the leash.

>but don't lose sight of what LLMs can do off the leash. there is no such thing as an LLM "off the leash", it's not a dog, and even if it was a dog the person responsible is the owner. What is this bizarre attitude to a piece of software that makes people think existing laws don't apply? If your LLM agent hacks a bank, you have hacked a bank, you will go to prison and that's entirely sufficient. People have been hack…

There is a baseline level of competence and motivation needed to commit crimes.

Decades ago few people would walk into a record store and steal CDs. Napster came along smashing all barriers entry, and it became weird not to steal music.

Its not really the legality that matters, it's the barrier on one hand and the cognitive ability on the other. Drop both and you get huge spikes in crime.

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Post by throwaw12 »

goodmythical wrote: post #639
throwaw12 wrote: post #624

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> I can train insainly powerful models on my laptop Can you?

Depends on the point of view, I suppose. Powerful enough to shock someone in 2010 with a wikipedia chat bot? Possibly. Powerful enough to shock jaded HN commentators right now? Possibly not.

its not about whether you can shock anyone, if anyone is driving cars outside, you can't say you have SOTA-horse to go from A to B.

When models are good, expectations are adjusted accordingly to deliver things on par with the whole industry, you can't just say, I have built my own Intel Pentium II, now I will try to use it to compile Electron App and run 3DS Max there

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Post by throwaway613746 »

dzonga wrote: post #516
mips_avatar wrote: post #282

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This is what OpenAI/Anthropic want, it's better marketing than they can pay for -- and it creates a precedent for permanently banning the next generation of open weights models

damn, never thought about this - but yeah this is where we are heading. open weight models - will be deemed too risky to be out in the open - since they can be abused by "bad actors" (unwashed masses)

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Post by epolanski »

andxor wrote: post #318
minraws wrote: post #315

Well I was expecting it but if it's not going to become available in this subscription cycle for me I will cancel oai subs as I did with claude ones months ago... moving to open weight models is trivial now, with optimizations and stuff glm 5.2 is roughly the same price as the best models around from multiple vendors. unless I could atleast try and see Sol perform like 10x better I don't really have a reason to switc…

> I used Fable for like what 2-3 days at most and didn't really feel it was so much better It was a lot better. I can't believe people say this.

Yes, brilliant for vibe coding and debugging. Another step back as an assistant.

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Post by epolanski »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #377
Sol- wrote: post #348

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If the US really cracks down on frontier model access, you'll see them make Chinese open models illegal. You might say "oh well, let them try", but they will just put direct and secondary sanctions on every company whose systems have used Chinese models in some way. They just have to make an example out of a few international companies and no one will dare to use Chinese frontier models, at least commercially.

This is why we can't decouple ourselves from the US fast enough.

Nobody is going to care in Europe but a handful of big corps with huge us contracts.

And good luck proving it.

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Post by noncoml »

stanac wrote: post #401
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #246

> Only companies approved by the government will get access. There is no process for individual users to get access to the new model. I knew the time would come when individuals on personal subscriptions get the short end of the stick. Didn't think it would come so soon. I hope we're not too badly deprecated in the months to come. Looks like I've got to improve my DeepSeek workflows.

For personal use I don't care if I get access to it. Tokens are becoming too expensive. I am using Chinese models. What worries me is that my company may never get access. I work for a well known US company, but from Europe, we also have developers in Mexico. I can only guess US gov will take this into account when deciding who gets to use the new models. Even worse than not getting access is getting fired. Since les…

> For personal use I don't care if I get access to it. Tokens are becoming too expensive.

How is this a rational argument?

Are you so self centered that you only care about government decisions that affect ONLY the present you?

“I don’t care that the government made prescription glasses illegal, I can see fine without them”

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Post by rocqua »

jmward01 wrote: post #604

This is regulatory capture in action. This will make it hard/impossible for new vendors to come into the market and only established companies will get to play, and charge, for LLMs. What does this mean for open source? Will it become illegal to download weights? What about train your own? Are we heading to a world where GPU use is regulated to ensure that illegal LLMs aren't being processed on your machine? More bro…

This isn’t about keeping people from having the power of frontier LLMs. So tricks that let others have it aren’t a defeat of this policy.

This is export control, where the US government seeks to leverage the fact that these frontier models are US made. This is then leveraged against opponents, and likely also just for grift. There’s also perhaps a little legitimate worry about the implications of free access to, but that is secondary to the real goal.

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Post by epolanski »

Sol- wrote: post #439
tokioyoyo wrote: post #423

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Theoretically that gives edge to all other companied around the world though, no?

I don't think a critical mass of them will oppose the US. The most likely equilibrium is Chinese models being shut out of any US-aligned markets (i.e. Europe at the very least, also East Asia, etc.). Probably India, Russia, Brazil etc. will resist such pressure, but they are protectionist and resilient to trade wars anyway, at the expense of their own welfare of course.

You're delusional, US is already seen like the biggest threat to Europe since the tariffs and Greenland threats.

If you think we're playing fools again, you're wrong.

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