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Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities

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Post by SubiculumCode »

pennomi wrote: post #639
SubiculumCode wrote: post #520

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The compute deficit of Chinese Ai companies is real, and it IS THE ONLY competitive advantage that Western companies have. The only way the U.S. keeps that edge is to prevent distillation. The only way Chinese companies can make up for the deficit in compute is to distill. There innovation in great supply on every side of the Ocean. Its about the chips. And in terms of national security, for the U.S., and for China,…

If saying “plz don’t distill me” is your moat, you don’t have a moat.

No. What will happen is it will turn dark. No public release. National Security uses only, or in carefully vetted industry settings.

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Post by danw1979 »

I’ve been thinking about what happens when Claude’s weights eventually get stolen. Wouldn’t that just open the door to the backmarkers to run inference-for-distillation on their own models ?

I guess the accusation that they’re using public access to the model via subscriptions indicates that weight theft probably hasn’t happened yet ?

Or maybe subsidised inference via subscriptions means it’s just cheaper do distill this was rather than stealing weights and running inference yourself ?

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Post by gf000 »

mastermedo wrote: post #396
gaiagraphia wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite amusing that the library of libgen is worth 1.5bil for unlimited access. It's about the same valuation as bun, lol.

$3,000 per title.

For endlessly reselling the whole work verbatim? Well, where can I buy such a license in the real world, because then I would like to buy a couple of those!

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Post by NietTim »

Oh no, the thief is mad they get "stolen" from? I've had to hard block all of anthropic's scrapers because they seemingly ignore robots.txt and every other unwritten rule about 'polite' webscraping. They were so aggressive that they made up 90+% of our traffic + pulled the website down at times. And that's not even mentioning their other immoral practices + what they are claiming here is questionable at best. Anthropic is _not_ the good guys, they do not get to be upset over this or claim any sort of moral superiority over 'China'.

Can't wait for the new Chinese models.

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Post by irthomasthomas »

Ask claude it's name in chinese and it thinks its Qwen (opus) or Deepseek (sonnet). Anthropic are just as guilty as everyone else training AI, today, maybe more so. Every lab borrows from every other. It only takes a few hundred samples to figure out the pattern; look at glm-5.2 reasoning using the caveman tongue of gpt-5.5. Stopping this would require some draconian surveillance.

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Post by scientism »

runnig wrote: post #534

I'll just leave it here: "Anthropic's downloading of over seven million books from pirate sites like LibGen constituted infringement, the judge ruled, rejecting Anthropic's "research purpose" defense: "You can't just bless yourself by saying I have a research purpose and, therefore, go and take any textbook you want." https://www.joneswalker.com/en/insights/blogs/ai-law-blog/wh...

Don't you find it funny that when you ask for song lyrics these models suddenly remember copyrighted material?

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Post by rienbdj »

runnig wrote: post #534

I'll just leave it here: "Anthropic's downloading of over seven million books from pirate sites like LibGen constituted infringement, the judge ruled, rejecting Anthropic's "research purpose" defense: "You can't just bless yourself by saying I have a research purpose and, therefore, go and take any textbook you want." https://www.joneswalker.com/en/insights/blogs/ai-law-blog/wh...

In the early days of music streaming, many of the entrants were seeding their service with vast libraries of pirated content. The winners cut deals with the copyright holders and then went after the rest.

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Post by f6v »

scientism wrote: post #647
runnig wrote: post #534

I'll just leave it here: "Anthropic's downloading of over seven million books from pirate sites like LibGen constituted infringement, the judge ruled, rejecting Anthropic's "research purpose" defense: "You can't just bless yourself by saying I have a research purpose and, therefore, go and take any textbook you want." https://www.joneswalker.com/en/insights/blogs/ai-law-blog/wh...

Don't you find it funny that when you ask for song lyrics these models suddenly remember copyrighted material?

Some do, others decline to answer.
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