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Post by ClayShentrup » Mon, Jun 15, 2026, 11:20 PM UTC

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Approval Voting would be an easier pill to swallow for most americans. It’s hard to explain “yeah Trump got the most #1 votes but still lost” and easy to explain “this other candidate got the most checkmarks”. https://www.rangevoting.org/CompChart.html#votsysts

RCV completely solves the “spoiler candidate” problem, which is a huge issue limiting choice and innovation in the two-party-dominated US. Approval Voting remains susceptible to spoilers. In the US there are already people who complain that any election they lose must been “rigged”, including the current occupant of the White House. Choosing Approval Voting over RCV is not going to bring such people around; it’s rhet…

Post by ClayShentrup » Tue, Jun 16, 2026, 2:46 AM UTC

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> We already have a system where the person with the most #1 votes can lose. A third party candidate that only got a couple states would be able to prevent a majority. And people complain about it. If you were trying to make a change from some other status quo to that, it would be a significant impediment. > Approval voting would be an improvement over the status quo but it makes it a lot harder for me to influence t…

> Approval voting is the range compressed version of score voting. I'm not thrilled with score voting to begin with, and compressing it down doesn't change much. > Use score voting and you can give your favorite candidate a different score than your second favorite without giving them the same score as your least favorite. That doesn't solve my problem. Take exactly what I said before, but replace "check" with "give…

Post by ClayShentrup » Tue, Jun 16, 2026, 2:49 AM UTC

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> If this scenario isn't super weirdly convoluted, more of those votes shift to B than X, so X is eliminated next. It doesn't have to be that convoluted, all it takes is for the eliminated candidate to be a moderate so their votes go in two different directions. But you're right that I messed up that example; the percentages are wrong. The problem case is when your second most favored candidate would otherwise be eli…

> A B X Y It's very unlikely that the two candidates I hate are on opposite extremes and both popular. > Score voting is a Condorcet method. That gains it a point but there are much better methods. Ones where I don't feel the need to balance risk versus reward for candidates I moderately dislike. Then the guarantee of the pairwise winner coming out on top is actually using accurate information on what everyone wants.…

Post by drysine » Tue, Jun 16, 2026, 8:51 AM UTC

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>Russia ... have been at the "worse and worse" stages for decades and there is no "better" in sight What do you mean? In the last 25 years life expectancy in Russia has risen by almost 10 years [0] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.MA.IN?locat...

Since your other comment got rightfully flagged, I'll respond to you here. The numbers from 2024 are reflective of the complete disappearance of russia from global markets. For instance, there have been no military procurement deals after 2023, only deliveries of previously ordered stuff. The poorly hidden debt crisis is within the regions paying the death and recruitment bonuses, and the military contractors forced…

Post by Dylan16807 » Tue, Jun 16, 2026, 10:00 AM UTC

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> Approval voting is the range compressed version of score voting. I'm not thrilled with score voting to begin with, and compressing it down doesn't change much. > Use score voting and you can give your favorite candidate a different score than your second favorite without giving them the same score as your least favorite. That doesn't solve my problem. Take exactly what I said before, but replace "check" with "give…

score voting is extremely good. https://www.rangevoting.org/BayRegsFig compressing it to approval voting doesn't hurt very much and makes the ballot extremely simple. > I don't see how. i just showed you how. better average voter satisfaction, better resistance to strategy, etc. https://www.rangevoting.org/BayRegsFig not to mention radically simpler: https://web.archive.org/web/20190219005733/ https://sites.google.co…