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Post by nirava »

Nursie wrote: post #554
nirava wrote: post #254

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Private companies now can link all your online activities to you. Not an advertisement ID, but directly to you and your loans and your health data and whatever they're selling in the black market. Every data breach is a 100 times. It was already almost possible to directly know about you by buying data, now it's easier. The point of this is not to verify age really. It is to verify identity. There's no way to prove s…

> There's no way to prove someone is some age without presenting a legal ID. Sure there is. Verifiable Credentials and other similar standards allow this to be delegated in such a way that there is no need to present ID or even let the site know who you are. The site can issue a request to a third party that simply provides back "Yep, we attest that this request was approved by someone over 18". Depending on the exac…

No practical way I should say. Realistically, it's pretty clear that lawmakers really just want to shove it through in the simplest way possible. Which is probably private third parties.

And private third parties are very shady. They have effective monopolies and no significant public face to care about. I think we have seen this pattern play out in healthcare, compliance and other industries already.

Also idk about banks being the effective gatekeepers to the internet and eventually all technology. Just feels like its not their place to do that.

Re: Online age verification is the hill to die on

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Post by pirates »

ericmay wrote: post #636
domador wrote: post #585

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It's very hard to stop being their users/customers when they're the only platform where people are gathering for that particular purpose. The nature of walled gardens and network effects often mean that there isn't a viable alternative. It's bad when the choice one has is between 1) using a platform that's significantly problematic or 2) being disconnected from everyone you'd like to connect with because they're only…

It’s pretty easy. I haven’t had social media besides LinkedIn since, I think 2013? I participate in all sorts of events, I know about things going on in my neighborhood and city, and I have quite a few friends. You don’t need this stuff and it’s just going to suck up more and more of your time and attention misleading you in to believing you need it. You’re not connected with anyone. It’s a surrogate activity.

Be careful saying you don’t use social media or soon you’ll have a wholly off-topic sub-thread about whether or not HN is social media too, even though we’ve all read the same tired arguments from both sides about a billion times in other threads.

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Post by bryan_w »

LooseMarmoset wrote: post #472
intrasight wrote: post #464

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What PII? They get a boolean "old enough"

Think about how they validate how old you are. Meta and Google, who are lobbying in support of this legislation,will force you to sign up with your real ID, and be the arbiter for questions like “are you old enough for this website”. For every request that you make through some third-party website that needs to know your age, Meta and Google will know where you tried to login, and for which content. They will then re…

None of this is true. The fact that there are many, many companies out here today that are doing exactly what you are claiming for the non-CA age verification laws (like in TN and TX), yet you went down the conspiracy route for Meta and Google shows how much you are being played like a fiddle.

They can feed you an conspiracy and you'll eat it up because you were primed to have a cognitive bias, and will ignore the actual, real-world harms going on.

Rupert loves people like you

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Post by al_borland »

Nursie wrote: post #560
lynx97 wrote: post #555

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So, why are those "real people" actually not willing to do their job? I am so pissed with parents who think the government is supposed to solve their own inability to raise a child.

Well for a start not all of them are very tech savvy, and we've built a world in which tech is essential to their day to day lives, including for their kids. If school demands the kids have a variety of devices to do their work, and they have no idea how to lock those down to exclude (for example) social media services that we know have been designed to be as addictive as possible, can you not see why they might want…

If public school is supposed to be free, the school should supply the required devices and take on the burden of securing those devices.

For private schools, the parents are more involved in the first place, but I would expect them to also have guidance for parents to help the less tech savvy among them.

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Post by bryan_w »

motbus3 wrote: post #166
masfuerte wrote: post #73

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The porn companies already set the RTA header. It was designed by an organisation funded by the porn companies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Sites_Advocatin...

It seems there is a GitHub repo somewhere mapping Meta money to lobbyists inside other companies Which is at least interesting

That was created by AI. Ai is great at playing six degrees of Kevin Bacon

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Post by techblueberry »

abustamam wrote: post #544
techblueberry wrote: post #527

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“If I don't want my kids to look at porno online I will educate them on porn“ I can’t tell if this is a joke, is this a joke?

No? I guess I missed a word ("educate them on the dangers of porn" perhaps?) but I don't see how the omission makes a huge difference.

I just love the idea that the solution to kids not doing what you want them to is telling them not to do a thing. It’s so optimistic.

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Post by xantronix »

ChrisTrenkamp wrote: post #475

To anyone reading this, please take the extra step beyond striking down age-verification laws, and start taking measures to prove to Congress that it's not needed. Your nextdoor neighbor whose misbehaving child that's permanently on their phone? Help them out. Your friend that joked about sending death threats to someone? Scold and report him. That girl endlessly scrolling Instagram? Get her help. Please take a step…

We can't just place sole blame on "the internet". Who made "the internet" the way it is today? By and large, it's the same people who are pushing age restriction and verification: Meta. They do not have your best interests in mind. They only seek to deliver new ways of controlling you.

https://tboteproject.com/

Re: Online age verification is the hill to die on

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Post by Bender »

snvzz wrote: post #418
Bender wrote: post #8

The one and only method I will participate in is server operators setting a RTA header [1] for URL's that may contain adult or user-generated or user-contributed content and the clients having the option to detect that header and trigger parental controls if they are enabled by the device owner. That should suffice to protect most small children. Teens will always get around anything anyone implements as they are alr…

>I a small server operator and a client of the internet will not participate in any other methods period, full-stop. You will however follow the law if it mandates you to do else. Which is we "age verification" should be stopped before it's too late.

I have probably never met anyone that is not committing at least three (3) felonies per day. That is at least how legal theory is applied. It's a fun topic to research. As a side note it would be interesting to see how far down the totem pole they venture in terms of verification of what sites are using age/ID verification and tracking.

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Post by tekknik »

cooper_ganglia wrote: post #211

THe government shouldn't be raising anyone's children, that's what parents are for. If you're a bad parent, your kids will get access to bad things and could become an adult failure. The future of your family and your legacy is up to you, not the government. We don't need age verification to restrict the social darwinism of raising children.

California and a slew of other states deemed it necessary to step in and take over for parents with transgender kids didn’t they? even threatening to take a child from their parents should they refuse gender dysphoria treatments.

it seems to me the left already opened this can of worms.

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Post by afpx »

tardedmeme wrote: post #593
afpx wrote: post #455

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Why? Kids have had access to the internet for over 30 years. What is the tiktok brainwashing (I don't use it), and how do you qualify the danger of it from say google news brainwashing, or even (gasp) public school brainwashing? I mean, if we're going to group ban information, at least let people in the local communities make those decisions. Otherwise, we're going to get the Epstein class making these decisions.

If you've been paying attention, you know what GP is talking about and you don't make such silly equivocations.

I guess I haven't been paying attention. Could you post a link so I can see what you are all talking about?
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