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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by StrLght »

pveierland wrote: post #545

I'm amazed looking at the upgrade kit. It's everything you need to go from the old 13" to the Pro; including chassis, display, battery, keyboard etc - listed at $255. That's an instant buy from me. https://frame.work/sg/en/products/framework-laptop-13-pro-ch...

This doesn't sound quite right, I think they put a wrong price there.

Bottom cover alone goes for more than that, even without battery or speakers: https://frame.work/sg/en/products/laptop13pro-bottom-cover-k...

So does the screen: https://frame.work/sg/en/products/laptop13pro-display-kit

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by manuhabitela »

asimovDev wrote: post #601
nhumrich wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dell Precision used to have track points. Now the only holdout is Thinkpad. I sometimes wonder how much the track point itself keeps that product line successful. That being said, thinkpads are almost as upgradeable as frameworks. The latest t14 received a better score from ifixit than framework for repairability (first ever to get a 10).

I wonder if Lenovo has telemetry of some kind that tells them how many people use the trackpad and how often compared to the trackpad / mouse.

I'd bet a bunch of money that it's barely used anymore.

Only benefit of trackpoint nowadays is that you don't move your hand. Otherwise, it's all downsides compared to modern trackpads, especially haptic ones like here. It's less precise, less ergonomic. Nowadays I'd rather move my hand a few centimeters off, than put regular strain on my forearm and struggle being precise with the pointer.

And most thinkpad users, employees of big companies, don't care at all about the trackpoint. I'm pretty sure it's only kept for the thinkpad brand and to keep the vocal minority of us geeks pleased.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by redditor98654 »

advirol wrote: post #623

What I miss is a keyboard with dedicated keys for Home, End, Insert, Delete, PageUp, and PageDown. Sadly, this is still something only ThinkPads get right. I really would like to give other laptops a chance but the substandard keyboards of most laptops are always holding me back.

Absolutely. What I had hoped was a proper 75% layout with proper full sized up and down arrow keys.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by Orygin »

sunbum wrote: post #615
vbezhenar wrote: post #611

This page is confusing and maybe even misleading. They write "Linux first". Few paragraphs later they write: 20 hours, Netflix 4K streaming, 250nit brightness, 30% volume, Windows 11. Why didn't they stream Neflix on Ubuntu they ship with? Overall it looks awesome. I just bought Thinkpad T14s upgrading from the same model of older generation, I wish Framework would expand its sales coverage, probably would buy it wit…

Netflix doesnt support 4k streaming on Linux.

They should have tested something else, like a raw H265 4K video or something. Can't imagine "pro" users would be amazed by the battery life of watching netflix.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by manuhabitela »

DanHulton wrote: post #499

Oh my god, yet _another_ "developer-focused" laptop with full-sized left/right arrow keys, which are an absolutely miserable experience to actually use. How is it that Apple is the only company these days( ) that consistently gets this right? ( Yes, I know they used full-sized keys for a while, I moaned and cursed them at the time as well.)

> How is it that Apple is the only company these days() that consistently gets this right?

Thinkpads also do this right, and have a way better keyboard layout than macbooks actually :)

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by Orygin »

unethical_ban wrote: post #440
linguae wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use a MacBook Pro at work and a Framework 13 for personal use. The biggest downside to my Framework 13 is the low battery life; I’ve been getting only about 5 hours on Windows 11. Other than that, I like my Framework 13. I am very excited about the Framework 13 Pro and it’s dramatically improved battery life. It’s unfortunate regarding RAM prices, though; I only paid $96 for 32GB of DDR5 RAM back in December 2023 w…

If you live near a Microcenter, you can get 64GB for "only" $560 vs the $850 price on Framework's website.

Is it a LPCAMM2 module though?

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by Mashimo »

vbezhenar wrote: post #611

This page is confusing and maybe even misleading. They write "Linux first". Few paragraphs later they write: 20 hours, Netflix 4K streaming, 250nit brightness, 30% volume, Windows 11. Why didn't they stream Neflix on Ubuntu they ship with? Overall it looks awesome. I just bought Thinkpad T14s upgrading from the same model of older generation, I wish Framework would expand its sales coverage, probably would buy it wit…

I bet the linux drivers are not fully done yet and will mature after release.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by poisonborz »

I really wish they'd do a tablet / MS Surface alternative. After the Laptop 12 the experience should be there. The demand is real and the current landscape looks dire. Alone the people who say they'd love an iPad Pro with a real OS on it.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by pveierland »

StrLght wrote: post #641
pveierland wrote: post #545

I'm amazed looking at the upgrade kit. It's everything you need to go from the old 13" to the Pro; including chassis, display, battery, keyboard etc - listed at $255. That's an instant buy from me. https://frame.work/sg/en/products/framework-laptop-13-pro-ch...

This doesn't sound quite right, I think they put a wrong price there. Bottom cover alone goes for more than that, even without battery or speakers: https://frame.work/sg/en/products/laptop13pro-bottom-cover-k... So does the screen: https://frame.work/sg/en/products/laptop13pro-display-kit

Agreed - $255 sounded too good to be true. Fingers crossed it doesn't end up too crazy, because that chassis looks good!

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by lawn »

lawn wrote: post #185
nrp wrote: post #91

I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).

Will the hinges be 360 like the laptop 12? I wonder how useful the touchscreen will be without it.

Response from the support (according to the Framework forum):

The Framework Laptop 13 Pro Touchscreen supports touch input but does not currently support stylus input. Like other Framework Laptop 13 models, it opens with a maximum hinge angle of 180 degrees and is not designed for pen or convertible-style use.

Pretty disappointing honestly.

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