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sojournerc wrote: post #530
peyton wrote: post #512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here’s a video of what this guy was involved in (to my best knowledge): https://statements.cornell.edu/2024/20241019-career-fair-dis... I’m a First Amendment absolutist and AFAIK foreign students can protest, but this video shows to me it probably crosses the line into something else. Exactly what, I have no opinion.

Yeah, masks and intentionally antagonizing police doesn't scream peaceful protest

The irony is rich - since we are in a topic that discusses the governments actions against people who showed up at protests.

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Post by lmm »

csomar wrote: post #586
lmm wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was it a right he had in the first place? Many countries make it illegal for foreigners to undertake political activities as a condition of their visa, for good reason.

Was it a right that should be had, should be the question. I don't think you are refuting the parent claim. Americans are rolling over and justifying terrifying out reach from not-very-organized authorities (ICE). The American set of freedom, liberties and rights are more fragile than Trump's ego.

> Was it a right that should be had, should be the question.

Fair, but everything else I said goes through the same.

> Americans are rolling over and justifying terrifying out reach

I just don't see the terror? If someone is coming over here on a student visa and then doing political activism, it seems completely reasonable for the immigration authorities to check that out.

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Post by dominicrose »

forinti wrote: post #111

Such are the times that he feels he must say that he only attended the protest "for all of five minutes" and that he was protesting "what we saw as genocide". He is almost ashamed of his views because of the current climate but he didn't do anything wrong, apparently.

He should be ashamed. Why did (does) he see the punishment for the 7th octobor attack as a genocide but the 7th octobor attack itself as not-an-issue? (not an attempted genocide)

The law protects people up to a point. Collaborating with the enemy is an issue especially if you're not a confirmed citizen.

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Post by MandieD »

hackermatic wrote: post #304
pesus wrote: post #100

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Have you run into any serious complications doing that? I'm a bit worried that I've used my google account for so long and for many things that I might accidentally lock myself out of something important without it.

I've run into one government website that required email addresses to come from gmail.com, outlook.com, or another common domain, and several websites that won't let you change your email address once registered. It also makes it really confusing if someone needs to share Google Docs with you. So I've moved as much as I can off of Google, but some stuff will linger forever.

I've run into this, too, and found it hilarious because I remember when some sites wouldn't allow you to sign up with hotmail, gmail or other free email provider (over 20 years ago).

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Post by Terr_ »

Terr_ wrote: post #575
sojournerc wrote: post #530

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, masks and intentionally antagonizing police doesn't scream peaceful protest

It sounds like you're trying to shift the legal goalposts of "peaceful" into something more like "inoffensive" or "respectful" or "polite". For example, you have a First Amendment right to "peacefully" hurl the most awful insults you can think of at a police officer. If that police officer feels "antagonized"--or even if your goal was to hurt their feelings--that does not permit them to abuse the special power of the…

P.S.: Supposing you went beyond rude, like violating a noise-ordinance with a megaphone, or "littering" with pamphlets, or trespassing to chain yourself to a tree... The First Amendment bars authorities from going: "Ah hah! Now I can sneak in some punches for that shit you said earlier!"

No, that's simply not allowed to be part of it. There is no crime where "saying stuff that pissed the policeman off" is an enhancing factor. It's difficult, but that's why we pay them the big bucks for a job that's safer than landscaping or bartending or delivering food.

In practice this abuse of authority occurs because we live in an imperfect world... But it's still evil, and we shouldn't accept it or endorse it.

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Post by neya »

skue wrote: post #556
neya wrote: post #509

> In September 2024, Amandla Thomas-Johnson was a Ph.D. candidate studying in the U.S. on a student visa when he briefly attended a pro-Palestinian protest. Why would you go to a country for study purposes - where you explicitly tell the visa officers you're on US soil ONLY for study purposes - which is what the student visa explicitly grants you to do and then participate in a protest against the very country that g…

> where you explicitly tell the visa officers you're on US soil ONLY for study purposes What in the world does “ONLY for study purposes” mean? 24 hours a day, every day of the week? > participate in a protest against the very country that granted you the study visa and then get mad that you are under investigation and would have been kicked out for violating the said visa? That's so bizarre. First, he briefly attende…

> 24 hours a day, every day of the week?

Strawman

>First, he briefly attended the protest. Not the same as participating. I doubt the data from Google indicated he was holding a sign, shouting slogans, or speaking on stage. And it doesn’t sound like there was any marching or sit-in involved. (And if so, for 5 minutes?)

You misunderstand. I'm not against protesting, nor am I against the reasons behind his protests. He may have had valid reasons. What I'm saying is - if you are a green card holder or a citizen, this would be very little risk vs going to a foreign country in a study visa and doing what he did. If you pay tens of thousands of dollars to get a degree from whatever country, for whatever reasons, why would you want to gamble all of it?

Also, if you are getting into a fight, you need to make sure you have the upper hand. As it stands, it is him who is in hiding and crossing borders, not the government agents or the corporate white collars that gave away his data. That's my point.

"When in Rome, do as the Romans do"

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Post by xethos »

scarecrowbob wrote: post #599
xethos wrote: post #538

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I'd say the difference with the deportations under Obama (aside from deporting more people while spending less money doing it) is that he followed the law when doing so

As a person who spent a couple of hours watching our local ICE facility today, I'd say the differences are purely aesthetic. I've gotten to where I don't really care -what- the law is and believe that from an ethical standpoint if a person can have a house and a job and not cause trouble I don't care if they are from Honduras or Houston- any position other than that is just racism with extra steps. And I am aware tha…

> I'd say the differences are purely aesthetic

I would have a hard time arguing that after seeing Alex Pretti's public execution. I also think we can at least partially agree on who should be targeted (emphasis my own):

> Carefully calibrated revisions to Department of Homeland Security (DHS) immigration enforcement priorities and practices [...] *[made] noncitizens with criminal records the top enforcement target* [0]

I consider there to be a gulf of difference between the murder of American citizens in-between detaining anyone caught speaking the wrong language, and Obama's DHS and immigration policy.

> any position other than that is just racism with extra steps

Here I'll politely disagree to agree; in the same way Uber and Lyft flooded the driver market and collapsed the price of a medallion, so to does open borders flood the market with workers, collapsing the worth of my labour.

[0] https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/obama-record-deporta...

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Post by catlifeonmars »

sojournerc wrote: post #530
peyton wrote: post #512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here’s a video of what this guy was involved in (to my best knowledge): https://statements.cornell.edu/2024/20241019-career-fair-dis... I’m a First Amendment absolutist and AFAIK foreign students can protest, but this video shows to me it probably crosses the line into something else. Exactly what, I have no opinion.

Yeah, masks and intentionally antagonizing police doesn't scream peaceful protest

That’s peaceful. What do you expect, politeness?
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