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Re: German implementation of eIDAS will require an Apple/Google account to function

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Post by vovavili »

tga_d wrote: post #556
vovavili wrote: post #549

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Religion tends to be more constitutive to a person's self-identity than purity signalling dietary trends.

Setting aside the fact that there are multiple very old, very large religions that are nearly or actually vegan (e.g., Jainism), or that people raised vegan can't easily digest meat or animal products, why on earth do you feel that you or a hospital worker are qualified to determine the beliefs making up someone's identity, when you know absolutely nothing about them?

It took Western government institutions hundreds of years of violent conflict to embrace religious tolerance. I don't recall any major intense violent conflict being fought over dietary preferences.

Re: German implementation of eIDAS will require an Apple/Google account to function

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Post by mhitza »

viktorcode wrote: post #540
wpm wrote: post #480

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All the more reason to not be requiring such things in the first place.

And that it is not required. Physical ID is still accepted

Still. Until you have to prove your age to social media websites, for which you'll be nudged to use a digital id.

Unless you'll want to make your face available to third party verification services.

Re: German implementation of eIDAS will require an Apple/Google account to function

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Post by surcap526 »

RandomGerm4n wrote: post #99

I attestation should be abolished altogether. An app should have absolutely no way of knowing what kind of device it’s running on or what changes the user has made to the system. It is up to each individual to ensure the security of their own device. App developers should do no more than offer recommendations. If someone wants to use GrapheneOS, root their device (not recommended), or run the whole thing in an emulat…

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Re: German implementation of eIDAS will require an Apple/Google account to function

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Post by haagch »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #467
haagch wrote: post #214

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German citizen here. So why is an implementation going forward when you already know it will not serve all citizens? Why are we not refusing to implement this until we know we can make it work on all devices? Personally I recently switched from an AOSP based android without Google Play to Ubuntu Touch. In the future with better hardware support I will probably switch to postmarketOS.

Because you can’t please all of the people. And before someone likens it to the ADA. Even with accommodations you have to make, car makers aren’t for instance required to make cars that blind people can drive. You chose to use a non mainstream platform. Thats on you.

Sure.

Something I forgot to mention is that the UBPorts foundation whose mobile operating system I currently use is a German organization.

Re: German implementation of eIDAS will require an Apple/Google account to function

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Post by minusLik »

blindseeker wrote: post #145

Possibly I‘m not smart enough to understand, but from what I see is that the implementers intend to leverage existing security architecture of Android/Google and iOS/Apple, respectively- arguably to drive adoption. The document doesn’t state anywhere that Apple / Google account is a requirement to use German eIDAS. From what I can tell, one may (continue to) use its government issued ID card with electronic signature…

The account is not directly required, but you have a very hard time using an Android smartphone without a Google account. It's a bit easier with Apple, however both have in common that the apps required for eIDAS are available in their app stores – and they are not usable without an account (for common users).

It's an account requirement in a roundabout way.

Re: German implementation of eIDAS will require an Apple/Google account to function

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vovavili wrote: post #641
tga_d wrote: post #556

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Setting aside the fact that there are multiple very old, very large religions that are nearly or actually vegan (e.g., Jainism), or that people raised vegan can't easily digest meat or animal products, why on earth do you feel that you or a hospital worker are qualified to determine the beliefs making up someone's identity, when you know absolutely nothing about them?

It took Western government institutions hundreds of years of violent conflict to embrace religious tolerance. I don't recall any major intense violent conflict being fought over dietary preferences.

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Re: German implementation of eIDAS will require an Apple/Google account to function

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Post by izacus »

klabb3 wrote: post #578
izacus wrote: post #566

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That device is a personal ID card with a chip. Many EU countries issue them.

Why not just have the Secure Enclave in the ID card and use NFC to communicate with it? Think about it, you literally have dozens of computers between you and the provider. Routers, middleboxes, load balancers, servers etc, all insecure or untrusted, but somehow my device needs to have their special rootkit and hardware DRM. A separate device that can be provisioned with ID is the least to ask. If the government does…

This is exactly what the ID cards I'm talking about are. You tap them to the phone or a desktop reader and it works. You just invented something that already exists.

eIDAS just takes this one step further and gives you an option to not have to carry your card with you. But if you refuse to have an attested phone, then you pay those 20EUR to get the ID card (which you probably need for other uses as well) and move on with your life.

Re: German implementation of eIDAS will require an Apple/Google account to function

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Post by whatsupdog »

gnabgib wrote: post #35
whatsupdog wrote: post #34

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Come September, there will be no side loaded apps on Android.

You're behind on your news! Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps (1196 points, 16 days ago, 1262 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47442690

Stop shilling Google. It's not the same thing. It will stop 99% users from jumping through all the hoops, exactly what Google wants.

Re: German implementation of eIDAS will require an Apple/Google account to function

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Post by illiac786 »

subscribed wrote: post #622
illiac786 wrote: post #581

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You are assuming it will not be possible to add support to other OS. Why? What would be “knowing it can work on grapheneOS” for example, in your view?

It will be possible but simply won't be done. And as of now it won't work on GrapheneOS, it doesn't pass anything except MEETS_BASIC_INTEGRITY

That’s not what the parent wrote though.

And why is it so bad that they start with a smaller subset of feature and target the 99% of the population using either google or apple?

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