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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by geokon »

Longhanks wrote: post #469
chromacity wrote: post #412

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It's a meaningless, feel-good rule. Every country has countless carve-outs. To give you a trivial example: in the US, you can't get a passport if you owe more than $2,500 in child support.

Whilst I agree, to be fair, a passport is usually only needed when entering a country, not leaving one, right? Under the cited rule, the US needs to allow you to leave , not help you in entering some other country.

You generally do present your passport when leaving. Most places you get an exit stamp (which matches your entry stamp). They usually confirm things such as not overstaying a visa.

ex:

overstaying in Thailand results in a on-the-spot fine

China lately has exit checks when traveling to SEA (they try to intercept people traveling to scam centers)

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by consumer451 »

wesammikhail wrote: post #642
consumer451 wrote: post #638

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0wIgeAqLiA

Turn CC=on for those in the USA/EU.

Our Russian brothers and sisters want to be part of EU instead of the Kremlin, fight me.

What is super fucked up is that while Russian education is top-notch, see Google.com founders, meanwhile, Russia is so fucked up that they cannot take advantage of any of this.

Buckle tf up Europe.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by phyzome »

jltsiren wrote: post #417
ryandrake wrote: post #371

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But if you don't do #1, then #2 will happen involuntarily, right? So conscription ultimately = physically forced.

They will probably go to prison instead, like some of my friends did. Giving military training to people who definitely don't want it can be a bad idea for many reasons.

Make someone a slave and give them a loaded gun, what could go wrong?

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Post by saghm »

cedws wrote: post #402
saidnooneever wrote: post #388

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honestly i am happy for the russian and ukranian young men and women i meet here in NL each day. Glad for them they can dodge the draft. most simply drove out, some had more hastle than others. war is shit on all sides and thinking one or the other suffers less because you dont like their colours is very short sighted.... i think we had enough time by now to realise it. and dont call it cowardice if someone doesnt wa…

It's objectively worse on the Ukrainian side. Imagine you haven't been able to leave your house in 4 years for fear you'll be grabbed by a draft officer. Russians do not know this fear. To boot, many Russian men have been paid handsomely for their participation in the SMO and get to live nice lives abroad.

It's not like it's zero-sum though; the world outside Russia and as Ukraine isn't going to become so full that there's no room for more or them to leave to dodge fighting in a war, so the parent commenter can easily be happy for any of them regardless of their country of origin.

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Post by dudul »

croes wrote: post #603
guerrilla wrote: post #594

Nobody's going to bring up the sexism? I thought feminism was for equality. Why then no complains of not having equal responsibility here? Just like when Ukraine did this, nobody cared. No complaints in the media at all. They always want more women in the offices too, never in the coal mines.

In 2006, the Federal Administrative Court justified the absence of compulsory military service for women in a ruling, citing, among other reasons, that women face greater burdens in the domestic sphere than men and that this alone would justify their exemption from military service obligations. So military service is seen as a service like healthcare and care services where women already do most of the work, mostly p…

You got to admire the fantastic mental gymnastic some people are able to pull off to evade the arrows of accountability and integrity...

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by dudul »

hulitu wrote: post #216
shin_lao wrote: post #113

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Look at the Ukraine war. Who is being drafted against their will?

Everybody. Do you have some statistics ?

Always funny to see the most blatant lies be so forcefully put forward. Men were drafted while women were evacuated to the West. There are literal videos of that all over the place.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by dudul »

dataviz1000 wrote: post #220
orange_joe wrote: post #118

How does feminism survive if this becomes the norm? If young men feel like they're expected to give more to their society it's natural to expect renumeration financial, socially or politically. Nordic countries don't seem to have this problem, but their conscription laws are quite relaxed compared to what the future will likely hold. A declining youth population almost certainly means greater youth repression (higher…

Being able to serve is something the feminists have been fighting for the hardest over decades. The people who are trying to make young men only doing the killing the norm are the same people trying to end feminism. Therefore, there is some logic in your question. When I was in Asia two years ago, as an American, every time I met a young Russian man escaping conscription, drinks were on me as appreciation to their co…

This is not "being able to serve", this is "being forcefully drafted". Can you share a few links highlighting how vocal feminists have asked for the draft to be extended to women? Thanks.

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Post by dudul »

whynotmaybe wrote: post #241
xandrius wrote: post #176

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And what about a government which sends sons? Your point makes absolutely no sense, especially in relation to feminism. Equal rights and equal duties.

Yes, but in 12 month, 1 man and 20 women can produce the 20 kids. It's not the case with 1 woman and 20 men.

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Post by dudul »

mikkupikku wrote: post #159
orange_joe wrote: post #118

How does feminism survive if this becomes the norm? If young men feel like they're expected to give more to their society it's natural to expect renumeration financial, socially or politically. Nordic countries don't seem to have this problem, but their conscription laws are quite relaxed compared to what the future will likely hold. A declining youth population almost certainly means greater youth repression (higher…

How can a state survive if this weren't the norm? Why would men fight and die for a government that views their own wives and daughters as cannon fodder? If the government is conscripting men's wives to war, is it really in the interest of men to risk their own lives to protect that government? If the government took my wife and sent her to war, I'd sooner firebomb a government office than join up to fight for the go…

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