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Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by tombert »

mirekrusin wrote: post #42
newsoftheday wrote: post #20

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List successful companies you would not define as evil.

37signals, vanguard, costco, proton, fastmail, mullvad vpn, framework, automattic, valve, patagonia, lego, linear, hetzner, tarsnap, ...

Ok, and when you apply for and get rejected from all those companies, what do you do then? Suppose you give me a list of literally every company you think is ok, and I were declined by all of them, then what?

This isn't a theoretical question for me. I've applied to and been declined from all the companies you listed (except tarsnap because I didn't see a careers page). What exactly do I do then? Do I then just decide that food is overrated and be content with not having paycheck?

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by xtracto »

kyledrake wrote: post #157

The bulk of the comments in here are focused on comparing Larry Ellison to a lawn mower, so I'll try a new tack and say that I'm genuinely confused at what the value prop of Oracle is. Given the history of their business model being licensing of important databases that are hard to switch off of, I've actually made a point to avoid using Oracle as much as possible (even so far as to leave MySQL when they acquired it,…

I just read a tech "policy" document of one of the largest packaged food makers in Mexico. They explicitly say they ONLY use paid services/software to ensure there is liability and support.

There are A Lot of businesses thar are happy to burn cash for a false sense of security. They don't know better.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by soperj »

DrJokepu wrote: post #473
gorjusborg wrote: post #352

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It's very amusing to me that you bring up IBM in a discussion of the value of Oracle. I came here to say that if you want to understand Oracle's value, think IBM with less history.

Kind of, but there are some subtle differences in my opinion. Oracle is top-to-bottom evil, whose business model basically boils down to screwing over their clients and everyone else at every possible opportunity, comparable to the likes of McKinsey or Accenture. IBM is a bit more nuanced. My wife grew up in an IBM town and a lot of her family and her friends’ families used to work there in the 70s and 80s. People, e…

Didn't they famously help both the Nazis and Apartheid South Africa?

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Post by randomNumber7 »

wiseowise wrote: post #625
HomeDeLaPot wrote: post #584

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You want the government to force employers to provide a social safety net rather than the government providing it directly? The problem isn't that people can be fired, it's that their food, housing, and medical care are all dependent on or provided through their employer.

> A job today isn’t (*and shouldn’t be*) any guarantee of a job tomorrow. This is nonsense and shouldn’t be normalized.

In germany you have the opposite and it is also nonsense.

You have to work with people that do literally nothing (usefull to the goal of the company) and they can't be fired.

Companies are afraid to hire. Young people only get short therm contracts. If a company needs to cut jobs it has to keep employees with children over the others.

What society will be more productive?

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Post by bombcar »

nsxwolf wrote: post #427
jvanderbot wrote: post #194

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Oracle and Java are deeply embedded in US gov work. How deep? Let's just say a large number of classified developer jobs hire for Java. Ellison has been a huge proponent of a surveillance state, and that likely ingratiates him with certain three letter agencies. The only developers I know who write Java full time work in systems that take pictures of things from far away.

There are literally millions of us that write Java and don't work for the CIA. It's like still in the top 3 of all languages.

I was surprised at first to learn Minecraft was a CIA plot and then I thought about it and it all fit together :)

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Post by pjmlp »

kyledrake wrote: post #157

The bulk of the comments in here are focused on comparing Larry Ellison to a lawn mower, so I'll try a new tack and say that I'm genuinely confused at what the value prop of Oracle is. Given the history of their business model being licensing of important databases that are hard to switch off of, I've actually made a point to avoid using Oracle as much as possible (even so far as to leave MySQL when they acquired it,…

Cool stuff like distributed transactions, the database as OS with raw disks, the database as application platform with APEX.

Then again, I guess I am one of those folks that enjoys cool toys, that only big corporations pay for.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by pjmlp »

seanhunter wrote: post #248
kyledrake wrote: post #157

The bulk of the comments in here are focused on comparing Larry Ellison to a lawn mower, so I'll try a new tack and say that I'm genuinely confused at what the value prop of Oracle is. Given the history of their business model being licensing of important databases that are hard to switch off of, I've actually made a point to avoid using Oracle as much as possible (even so far as to leave MySQL when they acquired it,…

Short answer: today I think there is genuinely nothing that anyone should use oracle for, but their database used to be seriously far ahead of the competition. A very long time ago (circa 2000) there were basically 2 databases that worked for use cases where you needed high availability and vertical scalability and those were Oracle and Sybase and Oracle was really the only game in town if you actually wanted certain…

I keep landing into projects with Oracle, SQL Server, DB 2.

Naturally our customers aren't companies that care about HN audience.

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Post by VirusNewbie »

colechristensen wrote: post #303
NitpickLawyer wrote: post #150

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> a rudderless leech for nearly 30 years now. Yeah, from small interactions over the past two decades, I have no idea how they could have been so bad while employing so many people. What on earth were those 30k people doing?! Their solutions were crap for ages.

>I have no idea how they could have been so bad while employing so many people There is a significant correlation between how many people you employ and how much nothing you accomplish. It means you've gotten big enough to survive long bouts of doing something and achieving nothing with large amounts of people.

Amazon empoloys 300k corporate employees. Apple has 170k. How is this a significant correlation.

It seems there's literally no correlation between people and what is accomplished.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by bombcar »

mort96 wrote: post #353
uberduper wrote: post #334

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There's no zfs grenade. It's CDDL, feel free to use it wherever you want. Oracle can't come after you for violating the gpl even if somehow using zfs on linux violates the gpl.

I'm not a lawyer. I don't k is what Oracle's lawyers can and can't do. Even if I'm legally in the right, Oracle's lawyers could break me if they wanted. I can't know if there is a ZFS grenade, and neither can you. But we can choose to not deal with Oracle.

At that point, if they wanted to, they could sue mort96 for saying something bad about Oracle. It's unlikely they'll do that and perhaps a bit less unlikely they'll sue over ZFS.

Most of their legal shenanigans appear to be restricted to companies that already license some software from them.

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