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How will OpenAI compete?

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Re: How will OpenAI compete?

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Post by Spivak »

azan_ wrote: post #468
b3kart wrote: post #466

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Don’t you think that’s because Google was objectively a head above everyone other search engine for a long time?

It’s not anymore (actually google is awful now) and people are still using it

Yeah but the only alternative that's actually better is paid. Google is still best ad supported search engine out there. There's no one obvious to turn to or recommend.

The best free alternative to Google right is ironically $preferred_llm_provider and ChatGPT is the obvious uncapped free option. I think free will end up being OpenAI's most if they manage to make it profitable.

Re: How will OpenAI compete?

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Post by Yizahi »

shubhamjain wrote: post #29

Everyone is actually underestimating stickiness. The near billion users OpenAI has is actually a real moat and might translate into decent chunk of revenue. My wife, for example, uses ChatGPT on a daily basis, but has found no reason to try anything else. There are no network effects for sure, but people have hundreds and thousands on conversation on these apps that can't be easily moved elsewhere. Understandable tha…

Just as people underestimate bundling and multiple-product companies. As soon as LLM corpos will start increasing prices to actually match expenses and recouping their immense debts customers will very quickly catch up how OAI product is x5 times more expensive than Google's and the only moat is is to open pre-installed Gemini :) .

Competing in freeware products is impossible as soon as monopoly emerges. Competing in paid products is way easier, especially after free money age has ended.

Re: How will OpenAI compete?

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Post by gizmodo59 »

riskable wrote: post #556
gizmodo59 wrote: post #400

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If you haven’t used codex with gpt-5.3-codex (high or xhigh) you are missing out. Claude is still good at conversations but boy I can have codex go at a problem and it does better than Claude almost all the time. Front end and product UX Claude is slightly better but given the very very generous limits of codex, they are the best bang for buck

Has it been sped up at all? Last time I used codex (which was with 5.1 I think), it was pretty slow. I mean, it did a fantastic job at figuring out hard bugs across multiple languages ("why is this image not lining up in this server-rendered template?"; Python, JS, CSS, and the template lang) but it took quite a long time. Long enough that I wouldn't want to use it for anything but the most complex things.

5.1 is 100 years old in AI world.

Re: How will OpenAI compete?

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Post by pizzly »

shubhamjain wrote: post #29

Everyone is actually underestimating stickiness. The near billion users OpenAI has is actually a real moat and might translate into decent chunk of revenue. My wife, for example, uses ChatGPT on a daily basis, but has found no reason to try anything else. There are no network effects for sure, but people have hundreds and thousands on conversation on these apps that can't be easily moved elsewhere. Understandable tha…

I never considered that. When I change LLM models its usually due to two reasons.

1. the current AI model is producing answers that do not met my needs so I try multiple others at the same time and the one that produces the best answer I stick with until I have this problem again.

2. there is a new model released and advertises a new capability that I want to try out.

I can imagine that for many people the answer that ChatGPT generates is adequate enough that they never need to try another model even if better answers exists from another model. For people with less complex needs this is a very real stickiness. Why make the effort to try something new if the answer is adequate.

In this case, OpenAI would only f*k up if they change the pricing significantly, add intrusive ads or their answers become significantly worse.

Re: How will OpenAI compete?

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Post by Yizahi »

extesy wrote: post #502
bogdan wrote: post #137

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Google translate is nowhere close to as good as AI translate.

Google Translate uses Gemini now. You can switch between advanced (AI) and classic modes.

I've checked now, I don't see any selector anywhere in the app or settings. It all looks the usual way and the quality of translation hasn't changed.

Re: How will OpenAI compete?

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Post by extesy »

Yizahi wrote: post #646
extesy wrote: post #502

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Translate uses Gemini now. You can switch between advanced (AI) and classic modes.

I've checked now, I don't see any selector anywhere in the app or settings. It all looks the usual way and the quality of translation hasn't changed.

Perhaps you are not in the country where this has been rolled out? https://blog.google/products-and-platforms/products/search/g...

Re: How will OpenAI compete?

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Post by seesaw »

matthewkayin wrote: post #609
azan_ wrote: post #468

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It’s not anymore (actually google is awful now) and people are still using it

I've been feeling the pain of google being awful for a while now. Do you have a different search engine you would recommend?

I have been using duckduckgo for a long time.

Re: How will OpenAI compete?

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Post by monadicmonad »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #82

OpenAI lost the race to nerds' hearts. In the latest benchmarks, OpenAI is simultaneously cheaper (like 50% less?) and scores hire in coding and tool use benchmarks (GPT-5.3-Codex trounces Opus 4.6), yet all the coders want to marry Anthropic. I don't think OpenAI understands how to sell, if they even had a product to sell.

its because benchmarks are nonsense and when you actually use OI models for programming they suck

Re: How will OpenAI compete?

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Post by svnt »

siliconc0w wrote: post #555
Gnocchi_ wrote: post #139

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You can always turn it off

I want some useful memory but it seems hardcoded to try shoehorn in personal details or tidbits from past conversations into responses. Even if I specifically ask it not to in my personalization prompt.

It is interesting that both "customer support" comments here suggesting "you're just using it wrong" are from very recent accounts with very little karma.
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