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Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by npodbielski »

AlienRobot wrote: post #450
Aurornis wrote: post #255

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> So the algorithms for people that travel internationally a lot are drastically different from the people who remain stationary. I can confirm the same experience as the parent commenter for my family who still use Facebook even though most of them don't travel internationally. > If Facebook wanted to prevent themselves from negative publicity, they might have a different experience for the people who have political…

It would be very ironic if the reason people complain about Facebook so ardently is that they just didn't have enough friends IRL in first place to make Facebook work the way it should.

So you are saying that it is authors fault? How about not showing you shit instead when there is nothing else to show?

It is like saying that in order to keep my e-mail inbox full and entertaining from now on your email provider will fill it with AI generated content. Madness.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by mort96 »

BoingBoomTschak wrote: post #615
blibble wrote: post #454

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I think it's worse, cigarettes never threatened democracy the solution is real easy, section 230 should not apply if there's an recommendation algorithm involved treat the company as a traditional publisher because they are, they're editorialising by selecting the content vs, say, the old style facebook wall (a raw feed from user's friends), which should qualify for section 230

If your tree is so weak that a single breeze can knock it off, why blame the wind? Disclaimer: I hate social media of all kinds, it's just that you're missing the forest.

The force of social media these past 20 years has been massive. We're talking radical change to the structure of information flow in society. That's not just a small breeze.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by _9za9 »

defrost wrote: post #598
randomNumber7 wrote: post #593

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> Facebook should not have multiple high quality photos of 1/2 of the planet, their children, pets, friends and family, in addition to their real-time location obtained through the spyware companion app. If adults decide to give them all this information aren't they the ones that should be blamed?

Perhaps, for the individual photos that each uploaded in ignorance of the bigger picture. But not for the aggregate warehousing, abuse of data, addiction maximising algorithmic design, insecurity, etc. That's all on Facebook and other similar mass scale "social' media behemoths.

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Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by npodbielski »

duxup wrote: post #329
mbo wrote: post #202

My mother is an international flight attendant in her 60s. I recently caught a glimpse of her Facebook and I was shocked to discover a version of the website that seemed to be the platonic ideal of exactly what all the Facebook PMs intended. Her feed was filled with the photos of her friends and coworkers international trips and holidays, posts in groups for planning activities in her most frequented cities. But I di…

I logged out of facebook years ago only to find out an old friend / former coworker had died. Everyone knew, because of facebook, but not me :( It’s certainly the social hub for some groups.

People with those kind of arguments always get from response that if you were not trying to keep in touch with this friend personally then it was not truly a friend. Facebook friends does not equal real life friend.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by trymas »

throwaway290 wrote: post #579
thephyber wrote: post #536

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You didn’t try hard to repro it. Facebook uses your likes / groups / searches to customize your feed. If are active and don’t delete your old content, you have already trained FB to avoid the thirst traps for your account. The article author said he was off-site site for 8 years, so FB was offering him random high engagement content to stuff his feed so he didn’t reach the end.

he is replying to > Once Meta identifies you as male, you will get almost exclusively thirst trap posts no matter what you do. It started about two years ago. if meta identifies him as guy and he don't get a thirst trap after a minute then it's totally not "almost exclusively thirst trap".

Though OC also said:

> Another point: I tried very hard to fix this at one point. I went through instagram and hit like on nothing but pottery and parenting videos. For about a week I had a feed that looked like my wife's -- pottery and parenting. And then it reverted.

So I guess it depends how active you are? My speculation would be (that would match the article) - if facebook figures out you’re a man, but you don’t actively like and engage with specific topics - it will default to AI thirst trap slop.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by m000 »

firtoz wrote: post #639
arczyx wrote: post #568

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> She is convinced they were eating babies There are indeed allegations of that, so it's not impossible. You can read it yourself here: https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA001476... > On the yacht he witnessed babies being dismembered, their intestines removed, and individuals eating the feces from these intestines

Looking at the rest of the file, I'd rate the credibility of this as 2/10. But of course I can also see how this could have been taken as fact and spread like wildfire. I wish good luck to the investigators, wow.

Which is exactly the point of the parent. Before Epstein files you would probably rate the rumour at 0/10 credibility.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by crabmusket »

reverius42 wrote: post #609
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #566

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When you have a feed with a million posts in it, they are. There is no practical difference between removing something and putting it on page 5000 where no one will ever see it, or from the other side, moderating away everything you wouldn't recommend. Likewise, if you have a feed at all, it has to be in some order. Should it show everyone's posts or only people you follow? Should it show posts by popularity or somet…

I think maybe you shouldn't have a feed with a million posts in it? Like how many friends do you have? And how often do they post?

"We have a million pieces of content to show you, but are not allowed to editorialize" sounds like a constraint that might just spark some interesting UI innovations.

Not being allowed to use the "feed" pattern to shovel content into users' willing gullets based on maximum predicted engagement is the kind of friction that might result in healthier patterns of engagement.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by vanjajaja1 »

mbo wrote: post #202

My mother is an international flight attendant in her 60s. I recently caught a glimpse of her Facebook and I was shocked to discover a version of the website that seemed to be the platonic ideal of exactly what all the Facebook PMs intended. Her feed was filled with the photos of her friends and coworkers international trips and holidays, posts in groups for planning activities in her most frequented cities. But I di…

a common complaint about instagram is that you can no longer see your friends, just creators. i assume creators don't have this problem though, since they're having fun seeing all their creator friends

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by latexr »

In the comments I’m seeing a lot of people saying they either can or cannot reproduce, but no one is sharing a location. That could be highly relevant, I’m betting even something vague like US or EU might play a part.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by npodbielski »

3RTB297 wrote: post #595
jedberg wrote: post #204

> So: is this just something wacky with my algorithm? No, it's not. Once Meta identifies you as male, you will get almost exclusively thirst trap posts no matter what you do. It started about two years ago. Some other interesting points: A woman posted on reddit recently saying she noticed her son's feed was filled with this stuff, so she created her own instagram account, identified as a man, and had the same feed.…

Also can confirm. From the first moment I started an IG account (at my wife's request), the default algorithm was to give me almost exclusively thirst trap posts with zero geographic or other relevance to me. I had to weed through thirst trap accounts that were brought up before hers - when searching by user name. I took a few minutes a day to search for cat pictures and cooking videos, and sharing cat videos with my…

The sole reason for not using those sites is the whole knowledge that you have to do this crap.
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