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Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by bschwindHN »

simianparrot wrote: post #339

How do people keep track of all these versions and releases of all these models and their pros/cons? Seems like a fulltime hobby to me. I'd rather just improve my own skills with all that time and energy

> I'd rather just improve my own skills with all that time and energy

That's what I would recommend, it's time better spent. I use AI occasionally to bounce some questions around or have some math jargon explained in simpler terms (all of which I can verify with external sources) using the free version of chatgpt or gemini or whatever I'm feeling that day, without caring about whatever version the model is. I don't need an AI to write code for me because writing the code is not really the hard part of solving a problem, in my opinion.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by cardine »

echelon wrote: post #625
josephg wrote: post #607

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Its also worth noting that if you can create a business with an LLM, so can everyone else. And sadly everyone has the same ideas Yeah, this is quite thought provoking. If computer code written by LLMs is a commodity, what new businesses does that enable? What can we do cheaply we couldn't do before? One obvious answer is we can make a lot more custom stuff . Like, why buy Windows and Office when I can just ask clau…

> Yeah, this is quite thought provoking. If computer code written by LLMs is a commodity, what new businesses does that enable? What can we do cheaply we couldn't do before? The model owner can just withhold access and build all the businesses themselves. Financial capital used to need labor capital. It doesn't anymore. We're entering into scary territory. I would feel much better if this were all open source, but of…

I think this risk is much lower in a world where there are lots of different model owners competing with each other, which is how it appears to be playing out.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by marak830 »

Oh I'm looking forward to playing with this one. But as a solo-dev-on-the-side I really wish Anthropic would create another plan, I'll happily pay for a pro-double to give me twice the usage. The $100 package is a bit brutal when converted to Yen, when I'm using it for side projects :s

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by gjk3 »

vardalab wrote: post #638
josephg wrote: post #607

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Its also worth noting that if you can create a business with an LLM, so can everyone else. And sadly everyone has the same ideas Yeah, this is quite thought provoking. If computer code written by LLMs is a commodity, what new businesses does that enable? What can we do cheaply we couldn't do before? One obvious answer is we can make a lot more custom stuff . Like, why buy Windows and Office when I can just ask clau…

We said the same thing when 3D printing came out. Any sort of cool tech, we think everybody’s going to do it. Most people are not capable of doing it. in college everybody was going to be an engineer and then they drop out after the first intro to physics or calculus class. A bunch of my non tech friends were vibe coding some tools with replit and lovable and I looked at their stuff and yeah it was neat but it wasn't…

Thank you for posting this.

Im really tired, and exhausted of reading simple takes.

Grok is a very capable LLM that can produce decent videos. Why are most garbage? Because NOT EVERYONE HAS THE SKILL NOR THE WILL TO DO IT WELL!

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by DrewADesign »

falkensmaize wrote: post #611
dakolli wrote: post #557

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That's the thing, profits and equities are at all time highs, but these companies have laid off 400k SWEs in the last 16 months in the US, which should tell you what their plans are for this technology and augmenting their businesses.

The last 16 months of layoffs are almost certainly not because of LLMs. All the cheap money went away, and suddenly tech companies have to be profitable. That means a lot of them are shedding anything not nailed down to make their quarter look better.

The point is there’s no close positive correlation at that scale between labor and profits — hence the layoffs while these companies are doing better than ever. There’s zero reason to think increased productivity would lead to vastly more output from the company with the same amount of workers rather than far fewer workers and about the same amount of output, which is probably driven more by the market than a supply bottleneck.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by trollbridge »

jasondigitized wrote: post #495
dakolli wrote: post #486

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Their goal is to monopolize labor for anything that has to do with i/o on a computer, which is way more than SWE. Its simple, this technology literally cannot create new jobs it simply can cause one engineer (or any worker whos job has to do with computer i/o) to do the work of 3, therefore allowing you to replace workers (and overwork the ones you keep). Companies don't need "more work" half the "features"/"products…

So like....every business having electricity? I am not a economist so would love someone smarter than me explain how this is any different than the advent of electricity and how that affected labor.

An obvious argument to this is that electricity is becoming a lot more expensive (because of LLMs), so how is that going to affect labour?

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by jwpapi »

vardalab wrote: post #638
josephg wrote: post #607

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Its also worth noting that if you can create a business with an LLM, so can everyone else. And sadly everyone has the same ideas Yeah, this is quite thought provoking. If computer code written by LLMs is a commodity, what new businesses does that enable? What can we do cheaply we couldn't do before? One obvious answer is we can make a lot more custom stuff . Like, why buy Windows and Office when I can just ask clau…

We said the same thing when 3D printing came out. Any sort of cool tech, we think everybody’s going to do it. Most people are not capable of doing it. in college everybody was going to be an engineer and then they drop out after the first intro to physics or calculus class. A bunch of my non tech friends were vibe coding some tools with replit and lovable and I looked at their stuff and yeah it was neat but it wasn't…

This goes well along with all my non-tech and even tech co-workers. Honestly the value generation leverage I have now is 10x or more then it was before compared to other people.

HN is a echo chamber of a very small sub group. The majority of people can’t utilize it and needs to have this further dumbed down and specialized.

That’s why marketing and conversion rate optimization works, its not all about the technical stuff, its about knowing what people need.

For funded VC companies often the game was not much different, it was just part of the expenses, sometimes a lot sometimes a smaller part. But eventually you could just buy the software you need, but that didn’t guarantee success. Their were dramatic failures and outstanding successes, and I wish it wouldn’t but most of the time the codebase was not the deciding factor. (Sometimes it was, airtable, twitch etc, bless the engineers, but I don’t believe AI would have solved these problems)

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by XCSme »

XCSme wrote: post #552
Alifatisk wrote: post #541

> Sonnet 4.5, starting at $3/$15 per million tokens. Are people really willing to pay these prices? The open-weight models are catching up in a rapid pace while keeping the prices so low. MiniMax M2.5, Kimi 2.5 and GLM-5 is dirt cheap compared to this. They may not be sota but they are more than good enough.

I made my own benchmarks, very basic questions, and Claude 4.6 is actually worse than the free Stepfun 3.5 version: https://aibenchy.com It is smart, but it fails at basic instruction following sometimes. I remember this is a Claude thing for quite a while, where I kept trying to make it output just JSON (without structured output), and it always kept adding quotes or new lines.

After looking more into it, Claude DOES give the correct answer, just not in the format that it's asked, it always adds more info at the end, even when asked to just give the answer...
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