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Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Post by colechristensen »

fatherwavelet wrote: post #224
colechristensen wrote: post #94

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He was an asset being managed by intelligence service officers, this is the only explanation. A failing math teacher at a New York prep school leading to a job at Bear Stearns and then as a wealth manager for billionaires... let's say it doesn't add up unless there were other reasons than his own ambitions and organization skills. Mossad or the Russians engineered his life.

It only doesn't add up if you are viewing him like Warren Buffet in terms of finance. Obviously, his audited track record of returns is nowhere to be found. It very much all adds up if you view Epstein as a financial genius in terms of financial crimes. This idea he was some intelligence created stooge is just absurd. I would suspect he was an intelligence asset exactly because of his ability to launder money and com…

With the girls, the rich and powerful, the financial fraud...

Wouldn't immoral foreign intelligence be doing a terrible job if they weren't doing everything they could to become involved in Epstein's world?

Why wouldn't Russia or Mossad be involved? It's almost a cartoon caricature of what a spy agency does. If it was in a movie it wouldn't be believable it's so on the nose.

I think they engineered it from the start, a Jay Gatsby kind of situation – find the right young man and engineer him to be the center of a situation to attract everybody and use the access to who comes to their advantage.

Even if it wasn't from the start idk how incompetent foreign intelligence would have to be to not be involved.

Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Post by CatMustard »

randycupertino wrote: post #570
tantalor wrote: post #470

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What was creepy about the interview process?

I interviewed and had an offer from Theranos. They were super slimey, and this was before they were known as a fraud. - Sunny asked me why I went to such an unprestigious academic institution for undergrad - Sunny flipped out at an extension cord going to the table AV setup in the meeting room. He called in 5 IT people and yelled at them during my interview about the extension cord and yanked it out of the wall. - El…

> part of the hiring process was to go get your blood tested by them

I know it would be far from the only illegal thing Theranos did, but that sure does sound extremely illegal.

Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

direwolf20 wrote: post #636
ifyoubuildit wrote: post #631

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I have no idea what any of that means

That's fine, you can leave it to philosophers if you want or you can go and learn it. I only referenced two principles and they both have Wikipedia pages. But don't make no effort to learn how people think about objective morality and then complain nobody knows anything about objective morality. I'll even link them for you: The veil of ignorance says you should design morals for a society as if you don't know which p…

OK, thanks for spelling them out.

I don't see how either of those principles suggest I should go steal the steaks, because I could easily end up being the person who is stolen from.

Its not surprising when starving people steal, and you can't really blame them for it. And people shouldn't waste frivolously when there are people in their community that are lacking.

But adding these unwritten caveats to private property rights based on whether someone is satisfied with their lot or not... I can't wrap my head around it.

Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Post by direwolf20 »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #643
direwolf20 wrote: post #636

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's fine, you can leave it to philosophers if you want or you can go and learn it. I only referenced two principles and they both have Wikipedia pages. But don't make no effort to learn how people think about objective morality and then complain nobody knows anything about objective morality. I'll even link them for you: The veil of ignorance says you should design morals for a society as if you don't know which p…

OK, thanks for spelling them out. I don't see how either of those principles suggest I should go steal the steaks, because I could easily end up being the person who is stolen from. Its not surprising when starving people steal, and you can't really blame them for it. And people shouldn't waste frivolously when there are people in their community that are lacking. But adding these unwritten caveats to private propert…

What's the expected value of:

90% chance of being a hungry person who steals a steak instead of dying

10% chance of being someone with 100 steaks and having 9 stolen?

I think the EV of this ends up positive.

Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

direwolf20 wrote: post #644
ifyoubuildit wrote: post #643

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OK, thanks for spelling them out. I don't see how either of those principles suggest I should go steal the steaks, because I could easily end up being the person who is stolen from. Its not surprising when starving people steal, and you can't really blame them for it. And people shouldn't waste frivolously when there are people in their community that are lacking. But adding these unwritten caveats to private propert…

What's the expected value of: 90% chance of being a hungry person who steals a steak instead of dying 10% chance of being someone with 100 steaks and having 9 stolen? I think the EV of this ends up positive.

I didn't take being barely able to afford ramen as someone who is going to starve to death. Their health is probably pretty poor, but I was assuming like in real life there would be other options.

Like I said before, if the alternative is death, then obviously stealing is justified. But if the alternative is the soup kitchen or something, then I can't justify stealing the steak. Otherwise you're on a slippery slope.

Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Post by carlosjobim »

ceejayoz wrote: post #619
carlosjobim wrote: post #606

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He wasn't but in the decision between more taxes and war bonds, he chose bonds, against his advisors' wishes. And the population proved that they are willing to make massive contributions to important causes, without having to be forced at gun-point with taxation.

I’ve well illustrated that he picked both .

I'm aware of that, so I don't understand what you're arguing about. The comment asked for an alternative to taxes for funding the army, and war bonds is the answer.

It's really amazing how successful war bonds have been in the 20th century. Before that, kings who wanted to wage war either taxed their population or borrowed money from people like Epstein for funding.

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Post by DANmode »

viscousviolin wrote: post #487
abecode wrote: post #468

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I just had a nice trip to Venice and I was curious about it's history. Supposedly, the Venice republic lasted almost 1000 years, basically from after the fall of Rome to Napoleon based on a weird lottery system for choosing the Doge.

I've never read up on the republic of Venice, but after quickly scanning the Wikipedia article on its election procedure... that is a strangely large number of voting rounds and lotteries.

They ate a good amount of vegetables, too.

All sorts of insane stuff.

Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Post by direwolf20 »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #645
direwolf20 wrote: post #644

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What's the expected value of: 90% chance of being a hungry person who steals a steak instead of dying 10% chance of being someone with 100 steaks and having 9 stolen? I think the EV of this ends up positive.

I didn't take being barely able to afford ramen as someone who is going to starve to death. Their health is probably pretty poor, but I was assuming like in real life there would be other options. Like I said before, if the alternative is death, then obviously stealing is justified. But if the alternative is the soup kitchen or something, then I can't justify stealing the steak. Otherwise you're on a slippery slope.

The guy with a hundred steaks still won't notice them gone. Probably.

The slope stops when the expected value is zero.

Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

direwolf20 wrote: post #648
ifyoubuildit wrote: post #645

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't take being barely able to afford ramen as someone who is going to starve to death. Their health is probably pretty poor, but I was assuming like in real life there would be other options. Like I said before, if the alternative is death, then obviously stealing is justified. But if the alternative is the soup kitchen or something, then I can't justify stealing the steak. Otherwise you're on a slippery slope.

The guy with a hundred steaks still won't notice them gone. Probably. The slope stops when the expected value is zero.

Is it only ok for luxury items? What happens when you swap steaks out of that sentence?

You have a hundred (dollars|pens|shoes|boxes of cereal), you probably won't notice if I take one.

I don't feel right taking one if I have other options. Whether or not someone notices doesn't make theft OK, it just means you get away without consequences (depending on your religious beliefs).

Not to mention you probably have to trespass/break and enter to do it.

Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Post by program_whiz »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #643
direwolf20 wrote: post #636

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's fine, you can leave it to philosophers if you want or you can go and learn it. I only referenced two principles and they both have Wikipedia pages. But don't make no effort to learn how people think about objective morality and then complain nobody knows anything about objective morality. I'll even link them for you: The veil of ignorance says you should design morals for a society as if you don't know which p…

OK, thanks for spelling them out. I don't see how either of those principles suggest I should go steal the steaks, because I could easily end up being the person who is stolen from. Its not surprising when starving people steal, and you can't really blame them for it. And people shouldn't waste frivolously when there are people in their community that are lacking. But adding these unwritten caveats to private propert…

Here's how it adds up: you are either the elite person who will have a few steaks taken (your life still rocks), or as the poor person, you can at least have enough steak to survive, rather than dying of hunger watching your rich neighbor throw steaks away for no reason.
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