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Re: The Codex App

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Post by rohansood15 »

chandureddyvari wrote: post #405
jtrn wrote: post #284

People's mileage may vary, but in my instance, this was so bad that I actually got angry while trying to use it. It's slow and stupid. It does not do proper research. It does not follow instructions. It randomly decides to stop being agentic, and instead just dumps the code for me to paste. It has the extremely annoying habit of just doing stuff without understanding what I meant, making a mess, then claiming everyth…

Agreed, had the same experience. Codex feels lazy - I have to explicitly tell it to research existing code before it stops giving hand-wavy answers. Doc lookup is particularly bad; I even gave it access to a Context7 MCP server for documentation and it barely made a difference. The personality also feels off-putting, even after tweaking the experimental flag settings to make it friendlier. For people suggesting it’s…

+1 to this. Been using Codex the last few months, and this morning I asked it to plan a change. It gave me generic instructions like 'Check if you're using X' or 'Determine if logic is doing Y' - I was like WTF.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

sally_glance wrote: post #618
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #297

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If you look at the current hiring trends and how much longer it is taking developers to get jobs these days, a mid level ticket taker is definitely screwed between a flooded market, layoffs and AI. By definition, this is the worse AI coding will ever be and it’s pretty good now.

In the past these trends were cyclical though. We're coming from an expansion phase (mainly driven by the COVID IT and AI craze) and now going through stagnation towards recession (global manufacturing crisis pulling our service sector down with it). This mirrors the hiring trends (or demand for workers). I'm not sure why you wouldn't expect the pendulum to swing back at some point.

I have been in this industry for a long time since 1996.

The 2000 dot com bust wasn’t because all of the ideas were bad most weren’t. They were too soon and before high speed internet was ubiquitous at home let alone in everyone’s pocket.

Incidentally, back then I was a regular old Windows enterprise developer in Atlanta and there were plenty of jobs available at boring companies.

In 2008 was a general shit show for everone. But for tech, the what we now know as the BigTech companies were hiring like crazy and growing old crazy. Just based on the law of large numbers, they aren’t going to grow over the next decade like they grew over the last decade.

They have proven that they can keep going and keep dominating with less people. AI is already started automating the jobs of mid level ticket takers and it’s only going go get worse. Just like factory jobs aren’t coming back.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by IhateAI »

deaux wrote: post #639
IhateAI wrote: post #605

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Imagine thinking that $80k setups to run Kimi and serve a single user session is evidence that inference providers are running at cost, or even close to it. Or that this fact is some sort of proof that token pricing will come down. All you one-shotted llm dependents said the same thing about Deepseek. I know you need to cope because your competency is 1:1 correlated to the quality and quantity of tokens you can affor…

It directly disproves this wild claim > You still need $500k in GPUs and a boatload of electricity to serve like 3 concurrent sessions at a decent tok/ps. as being patent bullshit, after which the burden is squarely on you to back up the remainder of your claims.

You are literally telling me that an open source model costs $80k "at decent tok/ps (whatever that means)" to run a single session as proof something. How come people aren't dropping Anthropic for Kimi, it costs 10x less... You aren't a serious person worth engaging with.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by herval »

waldrews wrote: post #450
Xenoamorphous wrote: post #449

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VSCode is arguably one of the most if not the most popular code editor these days…

And they're pretty much the only example of an embedded browser architecture actually performing tolerably and integrating well with the native environment.

Vscode’s performance is pretty bad. It’s “tolerable” just like any electron app.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by blackoil »

eviks wrote: post #456
aurareturn wrote: post #448

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There is competition for Figma. Sketch. There's plenty of competition for VSCode too. Don't forget that these Electron apps outcompeted native apps. Figma and VSCode were underdogs to native apps at one point. This is why your supply side argument doesn't make any sense.

> There's plenty of competition for VSCode too. But there isn't, not if you include all the extensions and remember the price

all the extensions followed popularity and ease of development. So, cart horse.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by okchildhood »

OlympicMarmoto wrote: post #220

It is baffling how these AI companies, with billions of dollars, cannot build native applications, even with the help of AI. From a UI perspective, these are mostly just chat apps, which are not particularly difficult to code from scratch. Before the usual excuses come about how it is impossible to build a custom UI, consider software that is orders of magnitude more complex, such as raddbg, 10x, Superluminal, Blende…

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Re: The Codex App

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Post by adastra22 »

oblio wrote: post #438
adastra22 wrote: post #296

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I have complained about literally every Electron based app I have ever used. How would you know there are no complaints?

There are complaints and then users keep using these super popular and bloated apps. Techies make it seem like bloat is a capital sin but it isn't.

When given the option, I never use such apps. I am rarely given the option, however.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by throwaway_61235 »

ttsalami wrote: post #552
SPICLK2 wrote: post #527

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That might be true (although you do add in the mess of web frameworks), but I strongly believe that resource usage must factor into these calculations too. It's a net negative to end users if you can develop an app a bit quicker but require the end users to have multiple more times RAM, CPU, etc.

It might be a cynical take, but I don't think there is a single person in these companies that cares about end user resource usage. They might care if the target were less tech savvy people that are likely to have some laptop barely holding up with just Win11. But for a developer with a MacBook, what is one more electron window?

I agree. I also find it interesting that many developers don't mind using Docker to run Redis / Postgresql and other services on Mac that are very simple to install and run directly. That's fine, but then they don't get to complain about Electron.

There are valid use cases for Docker on those types of software, but most users just use Docker for convenience or because "everyone else" uses them. Maybe influenced by Linux users where Docker has lower overhead. It's convenient for sure, but it also has a cost on Mac/Windows

Re: The Codex App

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Post by Sammi »

tomashubelbauer wrote: post #608
Sammi wrote: post #607

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Non codex gpt 5.2 is much better than codex gpt 5.2 for me. It does everything better.

Yup, I find it very counter-intuitive that this would be the case, but I switched today and I can already see a massive difference.

It fits with the intuition that codex is simply overfitted.
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