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Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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The massive sanctions he's placing on Russian oil make that impossible to believe.

The Trump administrations political positions are effectively a one to one match with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics which Putin aligns strongly with. Knowingly or not, Trump has been a tremendous asset to Russian geopolitics in every sphere.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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post #429

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Could you elaborate on what constitutes far-left political activism?

I don’t know if this counts as activism, but I was at my university’s Faculty Club and a faculty member walked over and immediately started bitching about Donald Trump without introducing themselves. Like, you’re supposed to be in the business of developing people. What a gigantic waste of time and money.

> I don’t know if this counts as activism …

then you proceed to describe something that in no world would be considered activism.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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> This isn't just compliance theater; it's a straight‑up national economic security play. The woes of LLM contrasts… In all seriousness, the points made ring true not only for European companies and should make everyone consider the implications of the current situation, as dreary as they are.

Yeah, human brain is amazing. After I reading many AI replies, this kind style just stands out, even though I can't precisely describe it.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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I am just speculating, but Europe has let itself be very dependent on USA for many things - military/defence, technology etc. "We don't need weapons, USA builds them for us". There has been no need to try and compete. This is changing now. So maybe the incentives will now appear more clearly.

You don’t have to, this ja the reason. There were multiple successful EU alternatives that were killed by the loads of money the US companies could muster to kill or hobble them. And Europe decided it was fine. There isn’t even an European card brand that operates across the whole continent, the just accepted to use visa and Mastercard for everything. I hope they change it.

And several European countries had their own card systems. The banks have just decided that letting US companies do the work is more lucrative. It was definitely cheaper and it was necessary if they want to be part of US hegemony network and trade with Asian countries since many of them had bad relationships due to colonialism.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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China has a huge population that mostly speaks Mandarin. The US has a smaller, but relatively wealthy population that mostly speaks English. Europe is a hodgepodge of languages, cultures, and regulatory environments. That’s a beautiful thing, but it’s not an efficient thing from a business perspective.

> China has a huge population that mostly speaks Mandarin. It's about incentives. The Chinese had to come up with their own solutions because of their firewall. Maybe it's time for a European firewall?

In China government threatens and stop people selling companies outside.

In Europe people who sell out are the members of government. Without a terrible revolution, Europe won't change course.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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I like it how everyone says that, but there is no european cloud operator able to offer what AWS/GCP/Azure offer. And if you are a start-up and you want to grow, the situation is even more dire. And without a few hundreds of billions of EUR invested _today_ there will still be at least a decade until basic infrastructure will be somewhat on par with current day hyperscalers from the US. And Office suite wise, it took…

I dislike the idea that if a cloud provider can not provide every service it's not even worth considering. Where is the problem solving. Maybe don't lock yourself into a single vendor and shop around for solutions. Apart from that the cloud offerings of companies like OVH and Scaleway are constantly expanding.

This takes time and effort, thus, lost opportunity cost. The thing that makes these providers worth it, is that it lets the business focus on their core competencies and just add-on as they scale without worrying about complexity. A business owner who hyper-optimizes for every contract is unlikely to be focusing on growing their business, even if their business is more efficient on paper.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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post #398

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> Give me Companies have this risk adversity when it comes to trusting all their infrastructure to a person that knows it all and can do it on three physical servers. I am old enough to have set up services on bare metal servers with what was virtualization or containerization back then (vserver), but today no one wants to know how to tweak Postfix because some emails are not coming through or whatnot.

> Companies have this risk adversity when it comes to trusting all their infrastructure to a person that knows it all and can do it on three physical servers. A person that knows it all and can do it all on AWS, on the other hand...

Sure, but let's say you do EKS, you set it up once and then it's mostly done, including security, etc. You set up your own, then you upgrade every 6 months manually.... this is a cascading cost.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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This is surely not what OP was referring to, but: arguably worse than incarcerations, I strongly condemn EU sanctions against EU citizens and residents, such as Hüseyin Dogru, Jacques Baud, and Nathalie Yamb, merely for speech that is not aligned with EU foreign policy. Note that I don't consider it at all relevant whether one agrees/disagrees with the content of their speech.

If this isn't what OP was referring to, why bring it up? I don't see how this is relevant, to the security of data from European companies, stored in European clouds.

It is a related complaint. Moving services to a jurisdiction where free speech is grossly violated (even the lower level of free speech that was prevalent in the EU compared to US).

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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I dislike the idea that if a cloud provider can not provide every service it's not even worth considering. Where is the problem solving. Maybe don't lock yourself into a single vendor and shop around for solutions. Apart from that the cloud offerings of companies like OVH and Scaleway are constantly expanding.

This takes time and effort, thus, lost opportunity cost. The thing that makes these providers worth it, is that it lets the business focus on their core competencies and just add-on as they scale without worrying about complexity. A business owner who hyper-optimizes for every contract is unlikely to be focusing on growing their business, even if their business is more efficient on paper.

Let’s say there’s a balance between the two, and maybe optimising a bit more is currently a good idea for various reasons…

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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I dislike the idea that if a cloud provider can not provide every service it's not even worth considering. Where is the problem solving. Maybe don't lock yourself into a single vendor and shop around for solutions. Apart from that the cloud offerings of companies like OVH and Scaleway are constantly expanding.

This takes time and effort, thus, lost opportunity cost. The thing that makes these providers worth it, is that it lets the business focus on their core competencies and just add-on as they scale without worrying about complexity. A business owner who hyper-optimizes for every contract is unlikely to be focusing on growing their business, even if their business is more efficient on paper.

> This takes time and effort, thus, lost opportunity cost.

Why should we assume this for every type of business.

> The thing that makes these providers worth it, is that it lets the business focus on their core competencies and just add-on as they scale without worrying about complexity.

Since when? Mastering the complexity and implementation of infrastructure from US cloud providers is a skill that takes time in itself. Personally I don’t see how Scaleway does not provide the same for example.

At some point we have to question are we choosing AWS, GCP, or Azure out of brand name, convenience, and marketability. Our if they actually enable faster business execution, higher availability, security, and regional compliance that alternatives don’t…

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