Tesla ending Models S and X production

Post by ActorNightly » Thu, Jan 29, 2026, 1:11 PM UTC

ACCount37 wrote: post #587

rswail wrote: post #334

So he milked Tesla for another $2B to subsidize xAI, has dropped the models to 2 (3 and Y), revenue is down, growth is negative, BYD is eating Tesla for lunch, followed by the other CN and KR vehicle companies. He doesn't have FSD, camera only navigation without sensor fusion with LIDAR will fail, the only thing keeping Tesla where it is is the bullshit dispersal field that surrounds Musk.

This LIDAR wank annoys me. If you can train a policy that drives well on cameras, you can get self-driving. If you can't, you're fucked, and no amount of extra sensors will save you. Self-driving isn't a sensor problem. It always was, is, and always will be an AI problem. No amount of LIDAR engineering will ever get you a LIDAR that outputs ground truth steering commands. The best you'll ever get is noisy depth estim…

Post by EnPissant » Thu, Jan 29, 2026, 1:11 PM UTC

TulliusCicero wrote: post #472

NoPicklez wrote: post #103

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They developed the Model 3 and Y, which is partly why they're stopping the S and X? They completely refreshed the Model Y last year and made a number of updates to the Model 3 including different body word.

"Completely refreshed" is doing a lot of work here in that sentence. The new refreshes don't look nearly as big in terms of changes as new generations of car models for other manufacturers, and Lord knows even Tesla fans have plenty of things they'd like to see improved.

Post by vel0city » Thu, Jan 29, 2026, 1:13 PM UTC

everdrive wrote: post #570

tombert wrote: post #251

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My dad found it extremely amusing that Elon said "we just have to solve the 'AI problem' and we'll have robots doing shopping for us", or something like that. I can't remember the exact verbiage, but that was the gist. The word "just" is doing a lot of work there. Going by that logic: We "just" need to figure out cold fusion to have effectively infinite energy. We "just" need to develop warp drives to travel across t…

And why would we even need or want robots shopping for us? I mean, most of us. For some disabled individuals it could be a benefit. For everyone else, it seems like the height of laziness and absurdity.

Post by korp » Thu, Jan 29, 2026, 1:13 PM UTC

rswail wrote: post #334

So he milked Tesla for another $2B to subsidize xAI, has dropped the models to 2 (3 and Y), revenue is down, growth is negative, BYD is eating Tesla for lunch, followed by the other CN and KR vehicle companies. He doesn't have FSD, camera only navigation without sensor fusion with LIDAR will fail, the only thing keeping Tesla where it is is the bullshit dispersal field that surrounds Musk.

Post by nutjob2 » Thu, Jan 29, 2026, 1:14 PM UTC

thephyber wrote: post #582

happymellon wrote: post #539

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> like nobody trusts Huawei or Xiaomi phones. Loads of people trusted Huawei, even after all the hyperbole about backdoors for the government. It needed regulators banning Huawei to knock their share of the market and protect the homegrown spyware.

The government bans on Huawei were obviously do to three reasons: network security, economic competition, and politics. Huawei doesn’t only make phones — they also make the cell network infrastructure and they sell it at much lower costs than American companies do. The US put pressure on allied countries to divest from Huawei infrastructure (especially 5G cell networking) to both avoid the security risks and to leave…