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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by epsters »

_menelaus wrote: post #582
epsters wrote: post #559

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mentioned many conflicts and many countries so this is very broad to cover in one comment but i will try, briefly. I have heard many theories given over the years to justify these interventions - democracy, capitalism, liberalism, oil, minerals, gas-pipelines, gas-fields, neoconservatism, neoliberalism, neo-colonialism, fighting terror, WMDs, fighting rogue states, checking expansionism, checking communism, counter…

I think you're completely right, and the fact that most people don't realize this makes me think that even most 'smart' people are pretty stupid when they have to think outside of what the media tells them.

I don't think they're stupid and i don't fault them. I made extraordinary claims and it took me 20 years of seeing extraordinary evidence to face reality.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by tptacek »

thisislife2 wrote: post #637
tptacek wrote: post #574

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1. Palestine is not a settler-colony of Israel. 2. The opposition in Iran is not orchestrated by the west.

1. Israel-Palestine: - History of Settler Colonialism in Palestine - https://www.globalresearch.ca/history-settler-colonialism-pa... - Israeli Settler Colonialism Is The Obstacle To Peace - https://www.huffpost.com/entry/israeli-settler-colonialism-i... - From Balfour to the Nakba: The settler-colonial experience of Palestine - https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/balfour-nakba-settler-... 2. Iran-US/UK: - How The C…

You wrote "Palestine is a settler-colony of Israel". Nobody on either side of the conflict believes that. Your response here is a non sequitur.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by YZF »

program_whiz wrote: post #485
cdelsolar wrote: post #462

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it's about preaching to the choir. I think it's an atrocity what happened to those Iranian supporters. But what's the point in posting about it? Everyone else thinks it's an atrocity. We have no power to change things in Iran.

Sorry I think the GP's point is correct. I feel the same about how we hear very little about modern-day slavery, but lots about much more minor workplace issues in the west. I'm not saying don't discuss modern workplace issues, and don't battle for even better working conditions -- but the silence is deafening. If American children were working 12-16 hour days in sweatshops, it would be nonstop in the news. By not sp…

This has never been about (western) morals which is why the masked violent crowds don't care about Russia, or China, or Saudia Arabia or Iran. This is about taking down the west because the west is evil. They also don't care about crimes against humanity perpetrated by Palestinians: https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/0282/2025/en/

This crowd is also not calling for "peace in Palestine". That would be something everyone would obviously get behind and could lead to a constructive discussion about how we get there. They are supporting violence against Israeli civilians and calling for the destruction of Israel and the murder of its populace.

It also has nothing to do with "US aid to Israel" since we see the exact same behavior in other western countries that do not aid Israel at all. For Americans to question how their aid money is used (e.g. why is it going to Egypt) or who the US does business with (e.g. why with Saudi Arabia or Qatar) is perfectly legit but it's obviously not what's going on here.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by nimonian »

glorious-cat wrote: post #478

What does this have to do with tech?

From Hacker News guidelines:

> That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.

There is a long history of major world events like this being discussed on Hacker News and it is accepted as on topic. There is also a long history of people who haven't read the guidelines asking what they have to do with tech.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by devsda »

koalaman wrote: post #443

Iran and North Korea are evidence that with modern technology, and a ruthless enough autocracy, there is possibly no way out from under it. Technological progress only makes this problem worse. It should highlight the urgency for anybody who loves freedom, human rights, and democracy, to fight the swing towards authoritarianism in the 'free world', before there is no way back.

> with modern technology, and a ruthless enough autocracy, there is possibly no way out from under it. Technological progress only makes this problem worse.

US may not have autocrats, but it does have ruthless enforcers of "law and order" with access to advanced weapons. Its probably safe to say thst whatever the stated reason is for the 2nd amendment, it is going to be difficult or impossible to meet its objective if needed.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by radlad »

rayiner wrote: post #183
redwood wrote: post #54

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It is a source run by expatriate Iranians of the diaspora.. the fact that so many people just discount their point of view it's pretty frustrating. If you speak to Iranians that you work with it's pretty illuminating

The “Iranians that you work with” in the west are highly self-selecting. They’re like Cubans in Florida or Vietnamese—people who fled in the aftermath of the revolution and are extremely antagonistic towards the regime. My family left Bangladesh the year after the dictator made Islam the official religion. My dad is apoplectic about the Islamist parties being unbanned recently after the government was overthrown. By…

> The people who disliked the Islamization of the country and had the financial means to do so left while the people who were fine with it stayed.

You say it yourself, the ones who "had the financial means to do so left" - so it's very disingenuous to then state "the people who were fine with it stayed." What about those who couldn't afford to leave?

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by jackb4040 »

Maken wrote: post #550
zrn900 wrote: post #414

The new Nayirah Lie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

Even if there is exaggeration or inaccuracy in the reporting, the repression happening in Iran is certainly real and not a complete fabrication.

"It's fine if we lie because we're the good guys"

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by misiti3780 »

germinalphrase wrote: post #514
misiti3780 wrote: post #496

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Yes, OUR government does fund Iran. Read about the Iran Nuclear deal under Obama, we gave them billions, more than we have given Israel. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-united-states-iran-an... https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/us-sends-plane-iran-...

To add context: the funds were not “given” as one might give humanitarian funding. The funds were Iranian financial assets that were frozen after the Iranian Revolution, accrued interest over the subsequent decades, and were returned as part of a legal settlement. I stake no position on whether this should have happened, just providing more specific color to the situation.

that is true, but it was still a large sum of money given to an authoritarian murderous regime, was it not?

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by severino »

Ntrails wrote: post #519
noah_buddy wrote: post #469

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Again, what am I supposed to do about it? If one lives in one of most western countries, one’s government has sanctioned Iran to the gills. Even the government can do little more, except engage in war. Compare this to Palestine, where direct action and protest is much more tangibly impactful.

> Again, what am I supposed to do about it? Encourage your government to invade/incite regime change I guess...? I have never been able to work out where the line lies between intervention and colonialism tbh.

Encourage my government to invade Iran?

But only Iran?

Shouldn't we attempt regime change in, for example, the US?

It would be great if you could hand us the list of the evil countries that we should invade.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

direwolf20 wrote: post #624
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #268

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> There is a reason why the Iranian government cannot activate internet and phones anymore. Once people can communicate again, they will count and document the true scale of events. Right now, it seems the Iranian government would rather give up on internet and telephones altogether than having anyone find out, which tells you just about how bad the situation is. I had talked to an iranian person who had misconfigure…

Phone calls are unencrypted, that's why

> Phone calls are unencrypted, that's why

Agreed did I tell you about the fact that iranian people if you call on their phone calls from foreign numbers you would've received message from AI and I think that a lot of conspiracy theories were formed about it which were really scary but the consensus is that the Iranian govt will record your voice when you would be worried or osmething

Absolutely scary stuff.

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