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Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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> In which category are there better iOS apps? Almost all of the prosumer apps on iOS offer a consistently better experience. This is maybe less relevant on phones than on tablets, but music production, video editing, digital painting and drafting, etc...

That isn't saying much. Even the best possible music editing (etc) app on a tablet is still crappy, by virtue of the form factor. Tablets simply are not suitable for getting actual work done.

This is changing with iPadOS, but the market needs to catch up with that. It supports a mouse and keyboard really really well now

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Eventually my so called smartphone will be a device for authenticating against a few services that require a special application, that I can also tunnel a serious device through for doing the things that I actually want to do.

It would be interesting to know why they're doing this, but it's unlikely it'll ever become public knowledge. I also don't think it is important, the people responsible should be in jail for a lot of other reasons anyway.

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Google's long term strategy with Android is baffling to me. Apple has had better mobile hardware for years. Apple has higher consumer trust. Apple has better app selection (for most people). Apple has been increasingly implementing the core features that differentiate Android devices, like USB-C and RCS. Every Android user lost to the increasing iOS market share is another customer Google has to pay exorbitant fees t…

Not everybody wants/cares for an iPhone. Realistically a 200 euros Xiaomi phone, to most users, is as good as they need it for seeing videos online and chatting. If you want to spend more, at each price tier you have plenty of choice including: better hardware, better cameras, more memory, etc. E.g. I do need dual (physical) sim phones. So I ain't buying iPhones ever for this very need. Consumer trust is very debatab…

It's true, but the main reason I haven't just switched to an iPhone is the ecosystem that lets me write apps without having to pay Apple money or use their computers.

If Google is narrowing their moat on this, there are a lot fewer reasons for me, personally, to stay on the platform.

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> Whatsapp web version can be used, too. Pretty awful UX, and you still need an Android phone to actually run WhatsApp. > Perhaps for reasons like this When I say "use Android", I mean the codebase, not necessarily Google's Android. Something like PostmarketOS.

PostmarketOS doesn't use the Android codebase, they work on upstreaming devices with a standard Linux kernel, so the opposite. They act mostly the same way as a desktop distribution. They do use the downstream image but mostly as a reference to remove it. Ubuntu Touch does use the Android vendor images though through the libhybris compatibility layer, that's why they have some good compatibility, if the phone has a l…

Ah yeah I always assumed it was Android based. Graphene then.

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Well, recheck. Both Qualcomm and Mediatek have caught up on the phone SoC market. The Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 has a slightly better CPU than the A19 Pro but a slightly worse GPU. Apple has a very slight advantage in watt usage but that's more than offset by the battery gap. Same thing with the Dimensity 9500. The SoC market is now extremely competitive.

Beats A19 Pro in Geekbench, at 65% higher power consumption. How is that a win?

One, you are entirely moving the goal post. Nothing was said of winning. The discussion was about catching up and catching up they did. As I said, the market is competitive.

Two, because the actual power consumption is not 65% higher - that's peak - and high end Chinese phones have batteries significantly bigger than the iPhone so you still get better screen time between charges in the end.

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EU said that App Stores must have alternatives. So F-Droid can just continue with their alternative app store. If Google makes it harder than it needs to be, then I'm sure they will be fined/sued.

> if Google makes it harder than it needs to be, then I'm sure they will be fined/sued.

Aaaaand, Action! Cue EU hate messages.

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Google's long term strategy with Android is baffling to me. Apple has had better mobile hardware for years. Apple has higher consumer trust. Apple has better app selection (for most people). Apple has been increasingly implementing the core features that differentiate Android devices, like USB-C and RCS. Every Android user lost to the increasing iOS market share is another customer Google has to pay exorbitant fees t…

> Apple has had better mobile hardware for years.

Better on what? Versus what?

> Apple has higher consumer trust.

Not from me and my peers. All nerds/devs/sysadmins.

> Apple has better app selection (for most people).

Again, based on what?

> Apple has been increasingly implementing the core features that differentiate Android devices, like USB-C and RCS.

Only when forced.

> Every Android user lost to the increasing iOS market share is another customer Google has to pay exorbitant fees to a competitor to access. What are you even talking about?

Don't get me wrong, iPhones are great devices, but I prefer the Android ecosystem time and time again.

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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No need to restrict it then

Plenty of users will benefit from restricting it or even disabling sideloading entirely. I know my mother in her 70s can't be trusted with downloading random crap from the internet.

> I know my mother in her 70s can't be trusted with downloading random crap from the internet.

There's a very simple fix for that, that doesn't involve her being a benchmark for others.

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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I don't see any iOS advantage with the apps anymore. That was maybe true in the very beginning, during the gold rush time of the app store. But not since then. In which category are there better iOS apps? Browsers? No, strictly worse. Youtube app? No, worse. Texting? Worse or equal (Whatsapp). Podcast client? I assume worse, since there is no Antenna Pod. Social media apps? The iOS variants of those apps are afaik in…

There's a saying in mobile development that in most companies the Android version of the app is a second class citizen. It usually brings substantially less money and so less money are invested in it. As a result the Android team is often understaffed and the app is almost always behind in feature development, less polished and with overall worse UX and more bugs compared to the iOS app. Also iOS still has a communit…

The only place where this happens is in the US. In the rest of the world Android rules with 70% or more of the market share.

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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post #56

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I don't see any iOS advantage with the apps anymore. That was maybe true in the very beginning, during the gold rush time of the app store. But not since then. In which category are there better iOS apps? Browsers? No, strictly worse. Youtube app? No, worse. Texting? Worse or equal (Whatsapp). Podcast client? I assume worse, since there is no Antenna Pod. Social media apps? The iOS variants of those apps are afaik in…

> In which category are there better iOS apps? Almost all of the prosumer apps on iOS offer a consistently better experience. This is maybe less relevant on phones than on tablets, but music production, video editing, digital painting and drafting, etc...

Seems super biased comming by someone called SWIFTcoder.
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