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Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by joe_mamba »

nikanj wrote: post #610
lostlogin wrote: post #431

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> They're different tools for different purposes. Getting to work and running local errands?

Yes one is for getting to work and running local errands, the other is for showing that you are a successful alpha hustler who can afford a big truck.

What a childish troll comment.

Not everyone's work commute can be done by bicycle. I can't cycle 40+ km each way on the highway.

And not everyone who buys a car to get to work buys a pickup truck. Sensible cars exist. Ignoramus.

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Post by joe_mamba »

david-gpu wrote: post #384
cpursley wrote: post #366

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Not sure if you are familiar with the built-environment in America, but there’s effectively no biking infrastructure and people are openly hostile towards cyclists who try.

Barely any bike infrastructure where I live, either. You can make it work. Give it a try someday.

How do you suggest you get to work by bike when work is 50 km away?

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Post by hnburnsy »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #609
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Consumers don't realize they are getting the worst of both worlds with added weight, complexity, repairs, inefficiency, and costs along with potential reliability (ex-Toyota) Not to mention studies that show PHEV owners frequently don't plug in.

That’s simple not true. Studies have shown that historically hybrid vehicles have fewer issues than any other type, possibly because reducing the ICE use increases reliability overall more than adding the minimal EV complexity.

>Hybrids, which combine a gas engine, electric motor, and battery, have 15 percent fewer problems on average than gas-only cars. EVs and PHEVs have about 80 percent more problems on average than gas-only cars.

>“Many of the problems with EVs and plug-in hybrids are because they are newer designs compared to gas technology, so some kinks still continue to be worked out,” says Jake Fisher, senior director of auto testing at Consumer Reports. “By comparison, hybrids have been around for nearly three decades, and the technology is tried and true.”

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s...

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Post by joe_mamba »

bluGill wrote: post #536
cpursley wrote: post #366

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Not sure if you are familiar with the built-environment in America, but there’s effectively no biking infrastructure and people are openly hostile towards cyclists who try.

Depends on where you live. There are a lot of cities in North America that have biking infrastructure. As a general rule, the worse the winters the better the biking infrastructure. (you need to get to Minneapolis or Canada to see it)

There's a lot of bike accidents in my city in Europe too. Yearly deaths too. Still only commute by bike if the trip is through the city center since it's the only way to bypass city traffic and without dying of old age from waiting on public transport.

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Post by jabl »

bluGill wrote: post #596
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Yes, that's what I meant. Was just curious how the market for gas has changed (or not) in NO given that.

In the US the average car is 12 years old. I don't know Norway, but I expect similar. Which is to say I don't expect this to have made any difference in the number of gas stations yet. Gas station owners are watching numbers, but and are likely to open less in the future (not zero, some new development/locations will be important, but some locations that previously would have got one will not longer be worth the inve…

Quick AI search suggests average car age in Norway to be 11.1-11.3 years, so indeed quite similar.

As for what would happen with gas station when EV's dominate, what already seems to be in progress here (not due to EV's, but other factors in the market) is that the "traditional" gas station serving stale coffee, snacks, and windshield wiper fluid are on the way out, replaced by either unmanned cold stations with just the pumps, or then by major roads large full-featured mini shopping malls with groceries, half-decent restaurant (sometimes several), and other shops. I think in a future EV world the cold stations would disappear but the higher end service centers would do fine.

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Post by thatcat »

costcopizza wrote: post #463
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> Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car dominance, but of the (very potential) rise of China as the premier automotive super power. It’s done man. Americans are stuck in ICE engines because they’ve been told they’re “car enthusiasts” while the Chinese have been developing EV technology for years. Meanwhile, European makers are stuck not knowing what to do, make Americans happy or compete w…

I can 100% confidently say the average US buyer is not an auto enthusiast. Cars are appliances to the vast majority of people here. There are multiple other factors for the relatively low adoption of EVs compared to China.

Many Americans base their identity off that appliance though, buying big trucks to drive around the suburbs and commute in. It needs to go vroom, so no e trucks allowed. I'd say it's more like a form of narcissism than enthusiasm.

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Post by pixl97 »

mlinhares wrote: post #518
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Sure it can :). Probably not 7 days a week, but a couple days a week, sure. And of course not everyone . Maybe 10%? Not that it matters. What do I care about the needs of some Texans? (I mean that non perjorativly). I mean just because ranchers still need horses doesn't mean the rest of us have to use them. The world will go EV, even much of the US will go EV, regardless of what some folks need.

If you have to drive 200 miles a day to go to/come back from work its a policy failure and we should care about it.

So what is the limit of days you drive 200+ miles per year that make a full EV make sense?

In an average year I'll have 40+ days where I drive that much. Not for work, just for doing random things.

>a policy failure and we should care about it.

We should, but we won't because Oil/Gas/ICE cars spend an epic fuckload telling you that anything not related driving more is communism.

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Post by brightball »

jeromegv wrote: post #515
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Wasn’t there a report in the last 10 years about China accounting for a huge portion of property sales in Canada? I thought I remembered seeing it was as high as 30% in some areas.

30% of house sales in Canada are not purchased in China, no.

Found the article. Vancouver specifically.

I believe this led to some legislation in 2023 to prevent or reduce foreign home buyers?

https://vancouversun.com/business/local-business/chinese-inv...

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Post by brightball »

dv_dt wrote: post #547
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Yep, it’s amazing how much knowledge and capability a country can develop when it has most of the worlds manufacturing.

They say history repeats itself, and this EV market shift is a repeat. A remarkable past parallel occurred with US industrial quality experts and statisticians being ignored by the US auto industry in the 1970s, then being taken seriously by the Japanese auto makers who then sling shotted themselves past US auto quality in the 80s to probably 2010ish? In this round of history repeating, 2020s US car maker management…

All that tracks with my observations.

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Post by pixl97 »

bruce511 wrote: post #200
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Exactly, I grew up during the beginning if the Japanese auto boom in the US. My grandfather was one of the first people in his group to buy one of the Japanese cars when they became highly reliable and his friend heckled him about it for awhile. Until that is he wasn't constantly repairing the thing. It got much better gas mileage. Wasn't getting ate up by rust. And it ran well over 150k miles, when US cars typically…

Rinse and repeat for Korean cars. And now China are deep into their cycle too. They're already producing high quality, at half the price, and I've noticed that the quality narrative is changing. Regardless of where they are perception wise, the long term lesson is clear - local manufacturers may ride the "quality" bandwagon for a while, but ultimately it's a losing strategy. ICE cars, and manufacturers who don't gave…

>Rinse and repeat for Korean cars

My last few cars have been Hyundai's. Unfortunately my driving habits don't allow full EV driving, but I did go with one of their (non-plugin) hybrids.

And almost all of my family has moved to Hyundai over time. The pure US car companies have been dumping out total crap for the longest time, it's an easy sale for almost anything else.

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