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Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by dxdm »

handoflixue wrote: post #542
munificent wrote: post #434

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> Or are you also extracting other artist’s work and using it as inspiration for what you do? Yes, when I make music, I am taking inspiration from all of the other artists I've listened to and using that in my music. If someone listens to my music, they are getting some value from my contribution, but also indirectly from the musicians that inspired me. The difference between that and AI is that I am a human being wh…

> I am a human being who deserves to live a life of dignity Sure, but so does the homeless guy living on the streets right now because computers and the internet automated his job - and yet here you are using the very tools ("mindless automatons") that put him out of work.

That's a good observation, but it doesn't cancel out the GP's point, or its author's dignity. On the contrary, actually, it provides more depth and force to their argument.

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by interludead »

BrokrnAlgorithm wrote: post #79

I'm a musician, but am also pretty amused by this anti ai wave. There was recently a post referencing aphex twin and old school idm and electronic music stuff and i can't help bein reminded how every new tech kit got always demonized until some group of artists came along and made it there own. Even if its just creative prompting, or perhaps custom trained models, someday someone will come along and make a genuine ar…

Electronic music history is basically a graveyard of "this isn't real music" takes that aged badly

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by interludead »

don-code wrote: post #123

A few months ago I spoke with the frontman of a local Boston band from the 1980s, who recently re-released a single with the help of AI. The source material was a compact cassette tape from a demo, found in a drawer. He used AI to isolate what would've been individual tracks from the recording, then cleaned them up individually, without AI's help. Does that constitute "wholly or in substantial part"? Would the track…

This is exactly where the policy starts to get murky

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by tmtvl »

olivierestsage wrote: post #16

Funny to see this right now. Spotify's promotion of AI music bothered me so much that it has actually pushed me to Bandcamp and the practice of buying music again. It's really fun to build a collection knowing you're supporting the artists, download FLAC files, organize your little "collection" page ... Feels like a renaissance in my relationship with music, the most fun I've had since what.cd. Anyway, love this stan…

As someone who's always bought music rather than getting a subscription, welcome to the club!

Do make sure to back everything up, though, I remember when Google Play Music was shut down and I needed to download everything (fortunately it was announced well beforehand so there was no need to rush).

7digital is also pretty good, I've bought a bunch of Saxon and Rainbow albums on there. As awesome as Bandcamp is, many bigger artists don't have a presence there (although King Diamond's entire discography is on there, that's cool).

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Post by fluoridation »

Multicomp wrote: post #248
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #103

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The main differentiator I've noticed is: how much work is the tool doing, and how much work is the artist doing? And that's not to say that strictly more effort on the part of the artist is a good thing, it just has to be a notable amount to, IMHO, be an interesting thing. This is the primary failure of all of the AI creative tooling, not even necessarily that it does too much, but that the effort of the artist doesn…

There is an AI plugin for krita that lets you define regions, selection bounds, sub-prompts, control nodes, and lots more control over a given image generation model than standard Automattic or comfyUI workflows...down to 'put an arm wearing armor here' for example in my RPG NPC token writing. It has full image generation mode, it has an animation mode, it has a live mode where you can draw a blob of images and it wi…

What's the plugin called?

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by Kye »

SchemaLoad wrote: post #479
wincy wrote: post #463

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I’m not going to listen to people poo poohing what I’ve been doing with Suno, my seven year old and I rocked out to a song that took me less time to make than it took to listen to about my character’s D&D adventure last night. I’m just having fun. The big secret right now is Suno will output good stuff but then it’s tortuous to get the lyrics to line up if you want to change anything, or add a word, it screws up the…

No one is upset about being able to generate stuff for personal use. They are upset by the industrial scale of dumping AI slop on platforms like Spotify that make it increasingly difficult to discover anything good anymore. There is lots of good music still being created these days, but you'll never find it by just hitting next on streaming sites because 99% of the content had about 5 minutes of effort put in before…

A representative portion of the anti-AI crowd is against any use, even personal.

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by matwood »

serf wrote: post #514
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #476

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AI music is the same. There is no surprise. No human element. No interest. No intention.

But the qusstion never got answered. If you liked a song that you later realized was generated would it ruin the song? If a robot ai basketball team was authentic enough to have hoodwinked me into thinking it was a real entertaining team then it has become a different question than whether or not I would knowingly participate as a spectator in an AI basketball league.

> If you liked a song that you later realized was generated would it ruin the song?

This whole discussion reminds me of Milli Vanilli from the 90s. They were hugely popular with a few songs and then people found out it wasn't actually them singing. It was a big scandal and the songs because unpopular instantly. I was always a bit confused by the crash because it's not like the song on the radio changed at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milli_Vanilli

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by DiskoHexyl »

With this recent trend of a license-free or even AI-generated music, I doubt that they even have the incentive to give way to those smaller and less popular bands (the well-knowns are going to be just fine anyway) that were the reason I came to music streaming in the first place.

Discovery of a new stuff- the niche, the unknown. Some part-time band from another side of the globe with 10k listens, but whose music is something that makes ME feel.

This didn't really work all that well before streaming came about- record stores in my city were small, and their selection included either the classics, or the current top-10. Friends and radio helped a bit, but not so much with the really obscure pieces or even entire genres.

So on one hand, with self-hosting Navidrome I can't be happier and have actually started discovering the music I've long stince forgotten or just the less popular pieces of the musicians that I already enjoy (because you buy and rip the entire CD, not just the most popular song of the album, and those songs are then being played at random).

The only problem is how to find something new? Do I go to internet radio-stations somewhere? Or to curated playlists? Or maybe there's an open recommendation system somewhere?

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by matwood »

bossyTeacher wrote: post #393
marknutter wrote: post #249

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If you came across a song and fell in love with it, only to find out later that it was generated by ai, would you stop loving the song?

This happened to me last month. After the first song, I suspected so I checked the cover and the artist profile. It was AI generated. I enjoyed the album nevertheless. You can find AI music enjoyable. People also hated DJ music before. And recorded music before. And electro amplified live music performances before that. This is just another category of music. Doesn't take away from human music. What people are right…

I agree with you. It should also be clearly marked it's AI.

I have this discussion all the time about written stories. At some point AI will start creating very good and possibly great written works. Do we ignore them because they are AI? I would hope not.

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