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Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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Post by nosianu »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #596
neom wrote: post #509

I know this sounds extreme but I get actually angry/frustrated and often just can't watch peoples TVs. I don't watch TV myself but if I go to someones house and they have the TV on and it's one of those "enhanced" TVs, it boils my blood. I went to film school, I have emmy's, I've watched hours long conversations about frame rates and dynamic range choices and so many aspects of the creative process that the TV then..…

Like people putting ketchup on a steak, eating pizza with a fork, putting chili in a hand baked loaf of sourdough, using a garbage disposal as another trash can, or generally using the thing someone is knowledgeable about "wrong". For you it's film, but most people have their thing, and you're probably doing the same thing to something else in your household.

I would buy that argument if it was deliberate, but the consumers in this case are passive and just have to endure whatever is set before them. Few even try changing the available settings, possibly apart from the most basic ones.

In a Greek restaurant I sometimes eat at there's a TV set to some absurdly high color saturation, colors are at 180%. It's been like that for years. Nobody ever even commented on it, even though it is so very very clearly uncomfortably extreme.

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Post by gwbas1c »

Joiblumen wrote: post #501
gwbas1c wrote: post #475

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The problem is that a lot of content today is mixed so that effects like explosions and gunshots are LOUD, whispers are quiet, and dialog is normal. It only works if you're watching in a room that's acoustically quiet, like a professional recording studio. Once your heater / air conditioner or other appliance turns on, it drowns out everything but the loudest parts of the mix. Otherwise, the problem is that you proba…

Yes, seems like both audio and video are following a High Dynamic Range trend. As much as I enjoy deafeningly bright explosions in the movie theater, it's almost never appropriate in the casual living room. I recently bought a new TV, Bravia 8ii, which was supposedly not bright enough according to reviewers. In it's professional setting, it's way to bright at night, and being an OLED watching HDR content the differen…

I watch my Bravia in the dark. Then again, mine is 5 years old, so maybe there's some differences.

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Post by ChoGGi »

IggleSniggle wrote: post #113
Shorel wrote: post #109

Anyone who mentions: "the soap opera effect" is someone who used to watch soap operas. The reason they dislike it, is their own bad taste. I like how it looks because it is "high quality videogame effect" for me. 60 hz, 120hz, 144hz, you only get this on a good videogame setup.

Just because someone has different taste doesn't make it bad taste. Books have lower resolution still, and they evoke far greater imaginative leaps. For me, the magic lies in what is not shown; it helps aid the suspension of disbelief by requiring you imagination to do more work filling in the gaps. I'm an avid video game player, and while FPS and sports-adjacent games demand high framerates, I'm perfectly happy turn…

Do framerates effect antialiasing?

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Post by ChoGGi »

pvdebbe wrote: post #269
drysart wrote: post #255

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That choice was made long before Scorsese made The Godfather; and so has virtually every other movie made over the past century. Real artists understand the limits of the medium they're working in and shape their creations to exist within it. So even if there was no artistic or technical merit in the choice to standardize on 24 FPS, the choice to standardize on 24 FPS shaped the media that came after it. Which means…

>just like Scorsese intended. >before Scorsese made The Godfather Can you let me in on the joke?

Oof, I completely glossed over that. Twice.

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Post by mkozlows »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #383
omnicognate wrote: post #258

It would help if TV manufacturers would clearly document what these features do, and use consistent names that reflect that. It seems they want to make these settings usable without specialist knowledge, but the end result of their opaque naming and vague descriptions is that anybody who actually cares about what they see and thinks they might benefit from some of the features has to either systematically try every p…

> It would help if TV manufacturers would clearly document what these features do, and use consistent names that reflect that. It would also help if there was a common, universal, perfect "reference TV" to aim for (or multiple such references for different use cases), with the job of the TV being to approximate this reference as closely as possible. Alas, much like documenting the features, this would turn TVs into c…

There is! That is precisely how TVs work! Specs like BT.2020 and BT.2100 define the color primaries, white point, and how colors and brightness levels should be represented. Other specs define other elements of the signal. SMPTE ST 2080 defines what the mastering environment should be, which is where you get the recommendations for bias lighting.

This is all out there -- but consumers DO NOT want it, because in a back-to-back comparison, they believe they want (as you'll see in other messages in this thread) displays that are over-bright, over-blue, over-saturated, and over-contrasty. And so that's what they get.

But if you want a perfect reference TV, that's what Filmmaker Mode is for, if you've got a TV maker that's even trying.

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Post by knorker »

nickthegreek wrote: post #527
dontlaugh wrote: post #518

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I agree with you that the interpolation isn’t ideal, I’m not praising it. It’s merely a necessity for me to not get headaches. It’s also much less noticeable on its lowest settings, which serve just to take the edge off panning shots. The “soap opera effect” is what people call video at higher than 24 fps in general, it has nothing to do with interpolation. The term has been used for decades before interpolation even…

You have never seen a movie at 120fps. Gemini Man exists at 60fps and that is as close as you are going to get. That blu-ray is controversial due to that fps. I thought it was neat, but it 100% looks and feels different than other movies.

Thanks. I'll give it a try.

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Post by ChoGGi »

eviks wrote: post #140
etempleton wrote: post #97

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Films rely on 24 fps or, rather, low motion resolution to help suspend disbelief. There are things that the viewer are not meant to see or at least see clearly. Yes, part of that specific framerate is nostalgia and what the audience expects a movie to look like, but it holds a purpose. Higher frame rates are superior for shooting reality. But for something that is fictional it helps the audience suspend their disbeli…

Does the suspension break in games, which are not reality? Is there any evidence lower quality is better?

Games are supposed to be fun, input latency is not fun.

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Post by redox99 »

tuetuopay wrote: post #602
redox99 wrote: post #494

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Well of course, YouTube is someone sitting in front of the camera with no background noise and speaking calmly. In a movie the characters may be far away (so it needs to sound like that, not like a podcast), running, exhausted, with a plethora of background noises and so on.

That would be true, except even in calm scenes in movies it's an issue. Unless I turn the volume high enough, in which case music and sfx become neighbor-waking loud. To be clear: I'm not talking about scenes where characters speak over an explosion. The overall mix does not allow having the same volume for all scenes of the movie, pick your poison: wake the neighbors or don't understand dialogues. Somehow youtube vi…

It's the same idea, a narrated youtube video is meant to have the same volume throughout, while a movie is meant to have quiet and loud parts.

The problem, as you say, is that if you don't want to have loud parts, you lower the volume so that loud is not loud anymore, and then the quiet but audible parts become inaudibly quiet.

I consider this to be a separate issue to the lack of clarity of internal speakers, and a bit harder to solve because it stems from the paper thin walls common in the US and other places.

You can usually use audio compression to fix this if you can't play the movie at the volume level it's meant to be played.

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Post by throw-12-16 »

maccard wrote: post #540
Tempest1981 wrote: post #492

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> Pluribus on Netflix on AppleTV/TV+

Apologies, “Netflix” has become like hoover, Google, or Kleenex - eponymous for the product.

Thats definitely an American way of speaking.

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Post by empiricus »

mkozlows wrote: post #638
gchamonlive wrote: post #537

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On my LG OLED I think it looks bad. Whites are off and I feel like the colours are squashed. Might be more accurate, but it's bad for me. I prefer to use standard, disable everything and put the white balance on neutral, neither cold nor warm.

The whites in Filmmaker Mode are not off. They'll look warm to you if you're used to the too-blue settings, but they're completely and measurably correct. I'd suggest living with it for a while; if you do, you'll quickly get used to it, and then going to the "standard" (sic) setting will look too blue.

still looks like yellow piss.
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