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Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Nope, Biden pardoning his son was also widely condemned across the political spectrum as an abuse of the pardon power.

I was of two minds about that pardon. On the one hand it seemed like an abuse of pardon power. On the other hand, it was also reasonable at the time to expect abuse of presidential power to prosecute political enemies. So on balance I was OK with it. I think the compromise I'd like to see is to curtail both powers.

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Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Do you have a complete list because thats literally what trump is doing. In no way shape or form is any past president comparable to the depravity and recklessness of trump its not even close. If you say its close you are so misinformed or ignorant or willfully evil. Seriously crypto scams, open bribery from kushner and the saudis, the Qatar jet, the gold card visas for the cartel family... the list of insane actions…

> Do you have a complete list because thats literally what trump is doing. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/02/07/biden-gra...

Lol did you even read that...

Commutations are not pardons. They were for weed and being gay in the military offences, you know things that do t actually matter...

Trumps pardoning fraudsters and criminals who have harmed people's lives

https://democrats-judiciary.house.gov/media-center/press-rel...

https://protectdemocracy.org/work/understanding-trump-pardon...

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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If one leaves all integrity and morals the president of the richest country in the world can really amass a ton of wealth. I actually suspect that the shares the “US” government s getting from intel and other companies actually goes to trump somehow. Everything is up for sale with this administration. Just sad, the high moral ground the country occupied is just wiped out and it’s now just like any other corrupt Asian…

> and it’s now just like any other corrupt Asian country

Seems like we are getting the worst aspects of countries like China (anti-democratic 1 party rule, state directed oligarchy, targeting of ethnic minority groups) with none of the best aspects of China: strong investment in education, research, and modern infrastructure like high speed trains and zero carbon electricity production.

Maybe mimicking authoritarianism isn't the answer to our problems.

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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This is such a weird redirect. Biden seems to have pardoned a large amount of low level marijuana offenders. So yes, there is a difference between what Trump is doing and what Biden is doing.

You missed what I stated, pardoning someone for a specific crime vs what biden(if he was actually doing it) pardoned his son for all crimes he may have done over a 10 year span. Oh wait, that was actually one of the only pardons he actually signed. edit: He actually pardoned 5 family members for all non-violent offenses from jan 2014 to jan 2025, does 1 billionaire = 5 biden family members?

Earlier you said hundreds. I call bullshit. Including the January 6 select committee members, staff, and police witnesses, the total appears closer to 50.

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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You're probably right, because she smoozed with Biden, but with Trump anything is possible with the right bribes.

Is it called a bribe at this point, or is it tribute?

Indulgence might be the most appropriate term.

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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The pardon power has been so abused these past few administrations that it's clear there should be constitutional changes in the pardon power, either congressional review, or strip it altogether.

No, government is the greatest threat to liberty. If the guy in charge of prosecuting feels the need to not just not prosecute, but actively protect someone from the state, then we really really don’t want (who? his unelected subordinates?) prosecuting people. It’s supposed to be an “err on the side of” failing to prosecute criminals. The whole point is yes… sometimes we want criminals to get away with crime, because it’s better than the alternatives.

What is the alternative? One of them is the public vote for a leader, the state destroys that leader (or his allies, etc) and then what? Do we think the public just says “Oh, well, I guess we didn’t pick the right guy?”

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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There should be a limit on the number of pardons a president can do during their tenure so that they have to at least think a bit before using it. It is a very powerful tool that actually allows a last resort. But this kind of egregious abuse of it's power means it needs to be kept in check.

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Is white collar crime / financial fraud just not going to be a crime in the US any more?

As always, that depends on how much you're already worth.

Maximum sentence allotted for small fries and lenience for the bigger conman who share a piece of their own pie to clean the slate. Fair game in Crookville.

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Of course he did. Republicans can’t complain about Clinton’s pardon of Marc Rich any more.

I was aware of the allegations that Marc Rich's ex wife gave money to Clinton ($450k to the library) is what led Clinton to pardon, but I never really dug into it. Per wikipedia, Clinton's defense was that it was actually a favor to Israel, given Rich helping to finance their intel services. Maybe everybody else knew this, I didn't.

I’ve read the same, I can’t see any net benefit here aside from grift.

I mean, in all honesty, if our system is going to allow the grift and one is amoral enough to do so, have at it. It may catch backup later.

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Is white collar crime / financial fraud just not going to be a crime in the US any more?

That already officially happened a few months ago. In addition to stopping all cryptocurrency fraud investigations, the administration stopped prosecuting white collar crimes under the FCPA:

https://www.connecticutcriminallawyer.com/blog/trump-adminis...

If you have access to people in positions of government influence, it's a good time to accept bribes from foreigners, especially via cryptocurrency. But if that is you then you probably already know that.

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