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Re: Sora 2

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Why can’t sign language be written? Why does it need to be on video?

The real question is... what is the advantage of written sign language versus... normal writing? I think a lot of people are confused and think that there is only one universal form of sign language used worldwide [1]. Second problem is that sign language is heavily influenced with corresponding facial expressions, body language, the motion of the hands, even how emphatic the motions are. Trying to approximate what i…

> what is the advantage of written sign language versus... normal writing

If your native language is French, why might you prefer things to be written in French rather than, say, Swahili?

Re: Sora 2

#642

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

As a social experiment to reveal how senseless and pointless pop entertainment could be. (personal rant) I've been in a mild existential crisis since I read Amusing Ourselves to Death . Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different from pop art? Are there 'finer' pop cultures amongst all pop cultures? I do still think reading The Song of Ice and Fire is m…

You might enjoy some of my writings on formalizing meaning (see here[1] and follow the links). In some way, although not always reliable, you can say that if you feel A is more meaningful than B, that is already some kind of evidence for this assertion even if perhaps unreliable in some ways.

So there isn't necessarily some huge crisis that you need to justify: in some ways reality just is (and this includes subjective reality;).

Say if you ask why do the laws of physics conserve energy locally, you can actually argue that if it were otherwise actually life would be extremely more unlikely, as that tends to increase instability in various systems (both energy divergence and going to 0 makes life unlikely); but still I'm almost certain you could conceive of forms of life in non-energy-conservative systems (something like Conway's Game of Life, but maybe with more advance rules if you prefer). So while it makes sense that the physics in our universe is approximately locally conservative (maybe not exactly in GR?), in totality it's just kind of a brute fact, an experimental observation. Our theories help us devise say better experiments to test e. conservation, and in a way map out the landscape of consistent physical laws. But they don't tell you which realization of consistent or admissible laws you'll find yourself in.

Other way to phrase it, what you feel is in a way real. So if you feel in some fundamental way better reading A than B, then that simply reflects a property of reality and needs no further explanation. The only problem is that in some cases our judgement can be distorted, like by substances or maybe overwhelming blinding desires (that fail to reflect fundamental experiences) or by limitations of our memory, etc.. But if we assume this isn't the case (i.e. some pathological reason for your preference), then your feeling is valid irrespective of a wordy justification. I think some things really are subjective, but also believe in a fundamental and very complex way subjectivity is actually as objective as anything else. I think the fact that one experience is actually (with some important caveats and necessary context) better than another in what might be called essentially an objective sense, is one of the most counterintuitive things we will come to accept about the human mind. We tend to mistaken complexity (it's very complex to compare experiences) to impossibility (it's impossible to judge experiences objectively).

I believe in principle there might be the equivalent Laws of Physics (say Newtonian mechanics) for the human mind, but I suspect we're still very far from it, because it might require analyzing the network of n=100 trillion synapses in our brain. I think one day we might get there, but that would probably require something like a computational effort maybe at least several times n, or even on the order of n², or some other poly(n), and also poly(n) memory. If we think of one of the major objectives of physical law is to make predictions, and explain behavior, and say to aid in engineering and designing structures, I think one of the main objective of the laws of the mind would be say to predict whether say an experience or mental state is good or not, and explain why it is so; and then perhaps allow improving a little the design of things so that we have better experiences, that is, a better life. I guess this is already what say psychology, various spiritual traditions, philosophy and arts try to achieve (and I think gets already in many cases pretty close, maybe increasingly closer, to the still inaccessible extremely complicated reality of the human mind and brain).

Regardless, we often have to do our best with what we have today, which is our best-effort subjective judgement, aided by language various human disciplines :)

[1] https://old.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/1n6j1jg/pur...

Re: Sora 2

#643

I wonder if they're going to license this to brands for heavily personalized advertisement. Imagine being able to see videos of yourself wearing clothes you're buying online before you actually place the order, instead of viewing them on a model. If they got the generation "live" enough, imagine walking past a mirror in a department store and seeing yourself in different clothes. Wild times.

Seems like a nice feature but the most important aspect is "fit" and I wouldn't trust these models to do that accurately. They'll most likely make everything fit perfectly. Should be fixable tho.

Re: Sora 2

#644

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real question is... what is the advantage of written sign language versus... normal writing? I think a lot of people are confused and think that there is only one universal form of sign language used worldwide [1]. Second problem is that sign language is heavily influenced with corresponding facial expressions, body language, the motion of the hands, even how emphatic the motions are. Trying to approximate what i…

> what is the advantage of written sign language versus... normal writing If your native language is French, why might you prefer things to be written in French rather than, say, Swahili?

I feel like we might be talking past each other but it is funny that you chose French and Swahili. [1]

The point is that "SIGN LANGUAGE" is idiomatic to the native speaker's tongue. So if you're going to take the time to create a specialized written form of it, you can just write using the native language which can be read by BOTH the Deaf and non-Deaf community.

Deaf people are not magically illiterate.

Creating a written sign language serves no value since it is just a crappier version of the normal written equivalent.

So there's not a lot of value in creating a written form of say the French Sign Language because you can just use French.

Swahili regions have multiple types of sign language including Kenyan Sign Language.

[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Sign_Language

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenyan_Sign_Language

Re: Sora 2

#645
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I wonder about the implications of this tech. State of the things with doom scrolling was already bad, add to it layoffs and replacing people with AI (just admit it, interns are struggling competing with Claude Code, Cursor and Codex) What's coming next? Bunch of people, with lots of free time watching non-sense AI generated content? I am genuinely curious, because I was and still excited about AI, until I saw how do…

>What's coming next? Bunch of people, with lots of free time watching non-sense AI generated content? Wasn't this always the outcome of the post labor economy? For this discussion lets just say that AI+Robots could replace most human labor and thinking. What do people do? Entertainment is going to be the number one time consumer.

Paid by what?

Re: Sora 2

#646

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

TikTock, Face Book, Twitter etc. are all aiming to be AI already: https://fortune.com/2024/10/30/mark-zuckerberg-ai-generated-...

Re: Sora 2

#647

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> This, however, isn't the first AI capable of doing that correct? Didn't Sora 1, Veo, and others come out before this making videos from sentences? It seems like there was a 90% chance you weren’t impressed by these either… > doesn't convince or impress me or anyone else that's a skeptic Yes, this is why I asked what % of comments you’ve made have been skeptical about AI. There’s nothing that will impress you. I did…

> It seems like there was a 90% chance you weren’t impressed by these either… And you'd be wrong in that assumption. When these first came out, particularly veo, I was quiet impressed with the photo realistic scenes it produced. Just like I was pretty impressed by "this is not a real human" website when it first launched. > Yes, this is why I asked what % of comments you’ve made have been skeptical about AI. There’s…

> New and novel things impress me

They don’t seem to if 90% of what you have to say about AI is by your own admission at best tepid.

I honestly don’t understand how anyone can look at the state of AI today (even if the gains are perceived to be marginal compared to the last version) and be like, “meh, not impressive, better say something negative about it.”

But that seems to be the gospel here on the Church of HN.

Re: Sora 2

#648

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

I like it. It's not a societal reform or anything. It's just people experimenting, like the Show HN section. There are some fun things in there and it's not as addictive as social media.

Instagram does not welcome this and I don't think they should. It is its own lane. And if it's just a place to sweep AI slop into, that's a good thing.

Re: Sora 2

#649

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

Spend some time on the Sora feed[1] and you can see that a weird kind of social-creator network has sprung up around the service. Turning it into a social app makes sense in that regard.

Doesn't mean OpenAI can't do other stuff with it as well.

1.https://sora.chatgpt.com/explore

Re: Sora 2

#650
post #632

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I think reading does force more long term focus, even if it's marginal for certain books. Certainly moreso than scrolling TikTok. My personal process of grappling with this led to a focus on agency and intentionality when defining the difference. Scrolling TikTok, much as scrolling Twitter or Facebook or Instagram or YouTube's recommendations would be, is an entirely passive activity. You sit back and you allow the C…

Eh, old people always complain about the media of the younger generation. Compare https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesesucht (use Google Translate).

Am I that old already? I just turned 29 a few months ago.
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