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Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by tomxor »

ta1243 wrote: post #522
jeroenhd wrote: post #515

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The Tories wrote the law for the recent changes to internet freedom in the UK. Labour supports it. Support seems to come from all sides across the political spectrum. I think the Greens are opposed to it, and maybe Reform in one of their populist speeches, but the majority of UK representatives seem to support this law. Based on this poll, most Britons also support the OSA: https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/britons-back-on…

They could have insisted websites include something like a TXT record saying they are "for over 18s only". Or even come up with a standard saying "this website is suitable for under 18s" under a dns record. Then the bill payer can enable or disable access for three categories * Under 18s * Over 18s * Unknown as they are the bill payer and entering into a credit agreement requires you to be over 18. If you wanted belt…

> as they are the bill payer and entering into a credit agreement requires you to be over 18. If you wanted belt and braces the phone companies doing PAYG could set it to disabled unless you authenticate your age to avoid the "buy simcard for cash" loophole.

This is already the case in UK, has been for years. The bill payer needs to prove age with an ID to lift IP level blocks from some default age blocklist.

It doesn't work well because obviously a lot of internet is shared amongst a household, and the blocklist is too broad to make it annoying enough that any adults will remove it. Then of course you can always just use a VPN same as with the current situation.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by physicsguy »

ljosifov wrote: post #628
dr_dshiv wrote: post #530

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I assumed Britain would not be Europe but “other”

Eh - for the world's audiences: EU is not Europe. I geddit how/why why people equate eu == europe - it would simplify things for all, one niggle less to consider. But - it ain't so, for better or worse. There are countries in Europe, that can't be members of the European Union, or could be, but don't want to be members. (e.g. UK, probably Island, Switzerland, some of the Nordics) There are no countries in the Europea…

Cyprus isn't in Europe geographically, it's in Asia.

There are also the various territories of larger countries that aren't - French Guaiana in South America, Canary Islands are off the coast of Africa.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by goopypoop »

einarfd wrote: post #604
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #500

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I still don't understand how someone is supposed to benefit from such a thing. If I want to use some service, I'll sign up for an account with it. The only thing a centralized ID is going to do is let the service correlate me with a different account on a different service, which is exactly the thing that I don't want. How is someone supposed to benefit from a thing whose only function is to reduce the friction again…

What I use my digital id for, is services, where the provider needs to know that I am me. I only use a small part of the services that we have in Norway that you can access with out digital id (BankID) solution, but those are useful for me, and I do not think all of them would exists without it. For governmental services, I use it for things like logging into health care services. Where I've used it for checking my p…

seems like you're using your social security number and the same password for all your logins

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by otterley »

nadermx wrote: post #520
otterley wrote: post #381

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Because the DMCA’s safe-harbor provisions only apply to sites that adhere to its requirements. Sites whose primary purpose is to host torrent files or infohashes arguably don’t qualify. If the DMCA allowed US operators to host torrent catalogs openly, there’d be a plethora of them.

The US does allow it. No one has tried it without trying to induce cipyright infrigment or following the DMCA properly. Also its hard and extremely expensive to defend yourself to prove it in a niche specifically where people are looking not to pay making it harder to montize to defend properly.

> No one has tried it without trying to induce cipyright [sic] infrigment or following the DMCA properly.

Why do you think that is?

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Post by physicsguy »

vintermann wrote: post #492
smashah wrote: post #391

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At this point, the UK government is beyond shaming. On the contrary, it shame and record-breaking unpopularity seems to empower them. I wouldn't put it passed them to require the digital ID to access the internet passed curfew.

Something that I think normal, decent people don't appreciate enough: you can join an organization without believing a word of what it stands for. It's perfectly possible to just pretend. It doesn't take a ton of resources or a big coordinated conspiracy to join and betray an organization, it just takes a bit of self-confidence, or chutzpah. One person I believe knows this, is Keir Starmer. It's very hard to explain…

> It's very hard to explain why things happen in UK politics without assuming he is trying to tank Labour.

Or they just focused on getting into government with very little plan about what to do when there, and with a particularly inexperienced team (few former cabinet ministers in the elected Labour MPs).

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Post by giancarlostoro »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #147
giancarlostoro wrote: post #122

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> am I accountable? If you travel to their jurisdiction, yes.

Many countries countries witch apply their laws outside there jurisdiction and borders USA (Kim dotcom) Russia (Skripals) China (Teng Bio) Israel (Mordechai Vanunu)

I was thinking of China and also Saudi Arabia, especially that reporter who was killed in Turkey over their dissent.

also because I have to...

Telegram has entered the chat

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by giancarlostoro »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #187
giancarlostoro wrote: post #122

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> am I accountable? If you travel to their jurisdiction, yes.

In the example given the answer is "no" but that's not the same as Imgur's case.

Telegram should be enough to justify why Imgur would pull out of the UK.

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Post by ndriscoll »

Aurornis wrote: post #626
0xfffafaCrash wrote: post #395

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> If a nation wants to block certain content, let the nation deal with it by getting their own ISPs to block and make sure the citizen's anger gets correctly placed on their government and not the site operators. I don’t really understand comments like these. Even if you’re exactly right about how it should work, how would you make this happen in the world we live in? Neither the tech community nor ISPs nor cloud com…

I’m equally baffled by all of these calls for extensive regulation and enforcement of Internet rules on HN. Someone in the comment section is unironically calling for imprisoning parents who let their kids use the internet. There are suggestions throughout the comment section calling for ID checks on websites. Is nobody thinking about what this actually means? Do you really want the entire internet to require ID vali…

Requiring businesses that provide products or services that we've already decided should be age gated to check ID is not the same as requiring all sites to check ID. Stores that sell porn or drugs or guns in person need to check ID. That hasn't resulted in all stores checking ID, or even stores that sometimes check ID (e.g. grocers selling alcohol) checking it all of the time. They only do for restricted items. No reason web businesses can't do the same.

Sites with user generated content already have to have some level of moderation to remove copyrighted or illegal materials (e.g. child porn). So it's not a big difference to say if you want to have user generated content and not be considered an adult site, you need to take down any submitted adult content (or only allow it in adult verified areas or whatever). If HN doesn't allow people to post their amateur smut stories, it could then be unaffected.

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Post by psychoslave »

lores wrote: post #311
psychoslave wrote: post #212

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I did contacted them. All of them who didn't yet have a referenced public position on fight chat control for France. By phone. Only two responded with a clear alignment. Good that I did it by phone, because apparently for some of them getting several thousand emails per day can only mean they are victim of a spam attack. Not only they don't represent anything but there own little interests, but they won't even have t…

Was it a Green and a Nazi?

I don’t have my spreadsheet at hand, but obviously no one overtly pretend to be a Nazi among MEP. I’m not aware of the arcanes, but it seems to me that it’s part of their obligations, and some MEPs were actually already sanctioned over this.

https://www.politico.eu/article/european-parliament-meps-sus... https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20250331IP...

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by giancarlostoro »

zmmmmm wrote: post #267

There's an opportunity for a service like CloudFlare here give people a simple toggle that manages geoblocks on legal liability factors. It's way too much for every organisation to individually track every country's laws day by day in case just by being accessible there you incur a liability. And it sounds like the UK would have just self-selected out of the list of "safe" countries. If something like this was in wid…

I was going to say, had this happened back when reddit was still using imgur exclusively, then the UK would have really suffered.
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