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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by mothballed »

thehappypm wrote: post #612
mothballed wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The expected value for immigrants is rapidly shifting into it being more favorable to be an illegal, because ICE/CBP is mostly going after low hanging fruit of easy to catch people that they know about with homes and salary jobs / university and a visa. People that are off paper and 100 miles past the border are as good as gone. So basically what we get is the exact opposite of what we want.

False. ICE is about to have a ginormous work force They’ll snatch whoever

Your own premise destroys your argument. If they're grabbing 'whoever' it's at least as easy to grab immigrants with a paper record as those that don't.

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Post by thisisit »

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #429
thisisit wrote: post #199

This is such bad policy making. Its like using a cannon to kill a mosquito. And for a party which idolizes the founding fathers these people seem to have forgotten the lesson from Benjamin Franklin. They went from letting 100 criminals go than make 1 person suffer to punishing 100 criminals to full extent of the law and then justify the action if 1 innocent is presented. End justify the means. And for anyone who is s…

Did you mean "punishing 100 innocents to full extent of the law and then justify the action if 1 criminal is presented?"

I meant what I wrote.

There is no denying H1B has issues and people are angry. But it has its uses like the doctors or specific skillsets. It is like punishing 100 guilty while persecuting 1 innocent. That is not what a proper law is supposed to do but this administration and its supporters lack empathy.

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Post by NekkoDroid »

nrmitchi wrote: post #535
arn7av wrote: post #518

Update from USCIS: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/memos/H1B... "Clarification" from Press Secretary: https://x.com/PressSec/status/1969495900478488745 1.) This is NOT an annual fee. It’s a one-time fee that applies only to the petition. 2.) Those who already hold H-1B visas and are currently outside of the country right now will NOT be charged $100,000 to re-enter. H-1B visa holders can leave and…

A "White House Official" may be saying this now, but it is not what was in the EO that was actually signed. There were no exclusions for current holders, and the start date was explicitly September 21, 2025 (a date that does apply to the "next lottery"). They are more than welcome to roll back this asinine decision, but pretending that everyone else is just mis-interpreting is gaslighting. Either way, until there is…

> Either way, until there is an official, in-writting announcement that can be depended on, no one should be taking the advice of an unnamed White House source.

There is literally nothing out of this White House you can depend on, even if it is in-writing & signed with the presidents blood. If he feels like it he will ignore it and use mob tactics to get his will through.

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

supertrope wrote: post #548
koolba wrote: post #539

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77M chose his platform in 2024, and that’s after seeing him govern for four years, and talk for four years more after that. America knows what it wanted and it got it.

Yes. As The NY Times phrased it, 2024 proved 2016 was not a fluke.

People will eventually elect the person who will have the same agenda as them and do what was promised while campaigning.

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

yash1th wrote: post #216
mrmansano wrote: post #140

Anecdotally, although I'm sure it's happening to more people. I'm Brazilian, I work in the US on H1-B. I'm on vacations in Brazil with my wife and kids, one in school age. I also came to renew my visa stamp, as I had my extension approved not long ago. My visa is valid from September 21st, so, same day as this proclamation takes effect. And I can't go back before that because my visa is not valid. My flight was sched…

i did not know until today there is this much anti-immigrant and especially anti-indian sentiment in tech. idk, it was very eye opening and very sad to read those. i am telling myself that people who were posting those things are small in numbers.

> especially anti-indian sentiment in tech.

want to take a wild guess why this is? and not against any other nationality of immigrants in tech?

> i am telling myself that people who were posting those things are small in numbers.

Have you heard about the term "the silent majority"?

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

gigatexal wrote: post #533

This effectively makes off shoring cheaper no? Just bypass the H1B thing altogether and hire folks in India, or Mexico, or Canada. It gets harder and harder to have skin pigment, speak another language, or god forbid want to come to the USA under this insane administration.

If I'm not mistaken, the next step for Trump is to ban American companies to hire Indian workers in India (probably even the ones living around the world too) because India keeps buying Russian oil and starts to get friendly with China.

It is a very clear case of "my way or the highway".

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Post by jofla_net »

ivraatiems wrote: post #315

These new restrictions are uniquely capricious and gleefully harmful to people, but they are really only an extension of behaviors that have gone on for some time. I'd like to share a related story from the previous Trump administration: My roommate in 2018 was an Indian here on an H1-B. He was working for a large consulting firm. (You've heard of it.) I don't recall his title but it was sort of an SRE/infrastructure…

Heh, sounds like a FAANG interview but worse since theres not quite another USA. Sadly when something is in demand, the gatekeepers can burn through plenty of legitimate applicants. When everyone wants to come here, things distort.

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Post by prime_ursid »

manco wrote: post #484
mystraline wrote: post #270

I'm going to keep banging on this website, of definitions of fascism. And also, for the time being, is also hanging in short form at the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC. https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause Labor Power is Suppressed Rampant Cronyism and Corruption These are all elements of fascism, and is directly on display. We are living in a…

> Labor Power is Suppressed Isn't this making labor more powerful since it's restricting competition from overseas?

“Labor power” in this context refers to unions, collective bargaining, and so on. The NLRB has been de facto shut down by this administration.

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Post by dragontamer »

nis0s wrote: post #453
dragontamer wrote: post #419

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> but nary a word about the leadership of countries which create conditions that people have to emigrate from. Because we in the US largely care about making our country better. And pulling the best and brightest out of other countries has historically been considered a good deal for us or even an explicit 'Brain Drain the Soviets' strategy. This admin and the people in charge today have forgotten about this and now…

Except the U.S. right now is nothing like what the USSR was under the Soviets, at least not for people who are in the U.S. via proper and lawful immigration protocols. The bent towards Christian nationalism may covert the US into an unviable USSR-like environment for a majority of its population, including whites and Christians. But I don’t think that scenario is likely given the range of leadership available to the…

It will be bad for our aging boomer population if we do not import (or train) enough nurses to take care of them all. And we are falling behind more-and-more even with every pro-immigration measure over the last decade. Now we need to face our nursing crisis while various countries are going to feel less good about coming over here and filling our vacant nursing positions.

Brain drain for others (offensive, hampers Russian technology). Pro-economic position for us (we get trained workers at an improved rate, growing certain sectors of our economy faster than they'd grow naturally).

Its win/win for USA all around.

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Now if Russia or China makes life better for their citizens, okay. That's better for the individuals but worse for us. Because now we aren't fixing the various broken bits of our economy (ie: our incredible nursing shortage).

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Post by lotsofpulp »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #574
jonathanstrange wrote: post #227

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Possible but a simple software update can also do the trick. That's just a fact and the reason why no one should trust a democracy based on voting machines. Experts have been warning against voting machines for decades.

Yeah, and in at least the past two elections the side that won has tried to promulgate memes that the voting machines are reliable and it's wrong to suggest that there's fraud going on; while the side that lost has tried to promulgate memes that there was something fishy about the election. I support wholesale reform to the American electoral process that would assuage the concerns of all parties and make it much mor…

> while the side that lost has tried to promulgate memes that there was something fishy about the election.

Democrat leaders did not promulgate memes that there was something fishy about the Nov 2024 election results.

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