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GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by SlowTao »

meindnoch wrote: post #404
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

Hey! I liked my Windows Phone. Original Xbox and the first half of Xbox 360 where also cool. End of list of good things however.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by quantumwannabe »

dylan604 wrote: post #483
meindnoch wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

> - making cringe hardware that basically noone purchased (Zune, Windows Phone) The Surface looks cool to me, but since it runs Windows, I will never use it. Does it only look cool, or is actually a cool device?

In addition to being able to run any regular Windows application, it had the best and most intuitive feeling UX of any tablet in history. Amongst many other features, window management was gesture controlled and Internet Explorer had an alternate UI that moved the tabs to the bottom of the screen to make them easier to reach.

Sadly, Windows 10 removed all the good parts of Windows tablet mode, but its ideas were so good that Apple is still slowly copying bits of its interface for the iPad to this day.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by rTX5CMRXIfFG »

ivanmontillam wrote: post #423
meindnoch wrote: post #404

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Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

These are the kind of claims that make some Linux users tiresome to talk to. (Full disclosure: I am also a Linux user). I'm not defending Microsoft, they are not necessarily my cup of tea, but these claims are only true of anything pre-Nadella era (part of 2014 and earlier). Feel free to express your opinions, but don't be hateful!

Skepticism that is informed by history isn’t being hateful

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by SlowTao »

Melatonic wrote: post #416
meindnoch wrote: post #404

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Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

Zune was actually kinda nice - although I agree nobody bought it!

Unfortunately for their timing, the Zune HD was them finally getting their idea of a music player spot on. It just happened to be 2 years after the release of iPhone.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by OuterVale »

nh2 wrote: post #635

> which will [..] operate independently -- Satya Nadella, 2018 in the acquisition announcement https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/06/04/microsoft-github...

I mean, it has been over 7 years since then. I don't think anyone would reasonably assume that to mean it would operate independently in perpetuity.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by jlarocco »

bee_rider wrote: post #143
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

Apple and Microsoft seem very different companies. Apple is stylish and cool by default, with occasional stumbles. Even among tech people, they have good will even though they seem to regard the Open Source community with total ambivalence at best. Microsoft is the Walmart of operating system providers, that happened to buy a popular Git hosting site and briefly made noises that seemed not awful. In terms of coolness…

Neither of them respect their users, and their major products are all black boxes that you're not allowed to change, inspect, understand, etc.

They're both the polar opposite of "tech friendly".

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by [deleted] »

zemo wrote: post #638
bitbasher wrote: post #466

GitHub has been a growing disappointment for quite a while. 1. GitHub itself isn't opensource despite being the opensource forge. 2. Microsoft (of all companies) acquired it. 3. Microsoft pushes VSCode and kills GitHub's Atom. 4. GitHub employees are quite political (master branch rename, ICE protest resignations, etc). 5. GitHub striking down repositories and user accounts (the Russian developer, yt-dlp, etc). 6. LL…

> GitHub employees are quite political (master branch rename, ICE protest resignations, etc). ah ok so the politics of power aren't of interest to you > LLMs trained on public and private code without consent or opting in. ah ok so the politics of power ARE of interest to you what's goin on here man

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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by SlowTao »

meindnoch wrote: post #465
mv4 wrote: post #447

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While I mostly agree with your assessment, I feel like the Xbox is pretty cool.

At this point it's an open secret that there won't be another Xbox. So yeah, they made something cool, and managed to fumble it.

I don't think this is the last generation of Xbox hardware but they definitely are not going to push the next iteration hard. I suspect they will start to license out the OS and have a broad set of hardware specs to follow. Treat it like the Surface, it will co-exist with other machines.

Essentially, the business model of the 3DO has finally been proven correct 30 years later. Do keep in mind a lot of the 3DO team did end up at Microsoft... maybe they played the long game...

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by SlowTao »

Tyce3312 wrote: post #562
meindnoch wrote: post #404

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Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

Don’t Apple and Ubuntu also advertise products in their OS also?

Yep and that is part of why I don't use them either.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by SlowTao »

tapoxi wrote: post #547
djhn wrote: post #475

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How come? Any TL;DR? Not a gamer, so I’m not up to date on consoles.

Basically, PS5 sales recently reached 80 million. Xbox Series X/S is estimated about 30 million. They lost the generation where digital libraries were built and can't gain the market back. There's been a lot of rumor lately that Xbox becomes a shell on top of Windows and just runs regular Windows games. The announcement of the Xbox ROG Ally using this same approach gives it a lot of weight.

It is crazy how they managed the bungle the Xbox One launch at just the right time to cause this cascade of issues over a decade later. It doesn't help that MS haven't had a huge AAA exclusive title in a very long time. Now that they have started cutting in hard on their game dev teams, they may end up more like the Microsoft Studios before Xbox was a thing.
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