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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by istjohn »

halflife wrote: post #483
istjohn wrote: post #428

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It's the "Jewish" in Jewish state that lies at the root of the conflict, isn't it? There aren't many options to maintain a dominant ethnic identity in a democracy when the land the nation was founded on was already inhabited by people who don't share in that identity. The only option is to either cede that ethnic identity or to engage in mass displacement and disenfranchisement. It's exceedingly subtle the way ethno-…

Jews were kicked out of all the Arab nations they lived in, were persecuted in Europe, and you think that they shouldn’t get a sovereign country for themselves? Should the Kurds get one? Tibetans? Catalonias? Scottish?

No one is entitled to displace people from their homes or deny people equal rights on the basis of their race, religion, or ethnicity for any reason. There is no exception for people seeking refuge from oppression.

Jews have and had the right to seek refuge from oppression. No one has the right to perpetuate oppression.

And no, I don't believe ethnonationalism is a panacea for anyone. The world would not be a better place if we could only subdivide into a multitude of homogenous little nations. I am grateful for the cultural diversity of my country. Countries like Japan that strive to protect their racial homogeneity will pay a steep cost.

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Post by ponector »

lostlogin wrote: post #507
ponector wrote: post #461

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Ruzzia is bombing Ukrainian cities to the ground. No countries are actively trying to stop them, just minor help to Ukraine to keep them afloat.

At least we aren’t giving the Russians bombs. The same can’t be said for Israel.

And Iran is giving bombs to Hamas and ruzzia.

That is a tragedy what happened to Gaza. Even friendly Arab nations don't want them to come as refuges, I'm curious why.

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Post by nradov »

crote wrote: post #602
prepend wrote: post #509

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> what will ever give Israel confidence that Oct 7 will never happen again? No Hamas in power? Seems like that would give pretty good confidence. This reminds me of alternate history stories where Japan refused to surrender. The US demanded unconditional surrender in WW2. What would have happened if the axis refused. What would have made the allies confident that the war was over without German and Japanese unconditi…

So who will be in power? You've got to remember that Hamas was democratically elected back in 2006, and its main rival Fatah isn't exactly pro-Israel either. Given the circumstances, I don't think there could possibly be a democratically elected government in Gaza which is pro-Israel or even neutral-Israel. Your only option is a puppet dictatorship government installed by Israel - but that's not really going to impro…

France no longer has to live with the risk of of a conventional invasion by Germany because France has nuclear weapons now and Germany does not. If a terrorist group was using German territory as a base to launch attacks against France and the German government refused to stop them then I'm pretty sure that France would retaliate kinetically, even if that meant some collateral damage. The USA did this in 2001 when Al Qaeda used Afghanistan as a base; France even assisted with that war.

Geography also matters. Israel is tiny compared to France. Israel has zero strategic depth and population centers could be overrun in a matter of hours if defenses failed. This tends to push their strategic planning towards absolutism. And to be clear I'm not trying to justify Israeli actions, just pointing out the strategic calculus at work and the difficulty of negotiating an agreement acceptable to both sides.

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Post by regularization »

tptacek wrote: post #399
slt2021 wrote: post #241

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No, this was a misquote, but it sounds juicy so it will never stop being passed around on the Internet. Netanyahu cited a completely different verse of the Torah, which was then mischaracterized.

The verse Netanyahu quoted said to blot out even the memory of the Amaleks, after comparing Gazans to Amaleks. How is this a misquoted? This is the verse he cited, although the other verse you mentioned is just as bloodthirsty.

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Post by tiahura »

cholantesh wrote: post #547
tiahura wrote: post #184

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Do you have the address for the Hamas Dept of Defense HQ, or the present location of their leadership?

I have the address for the many IDF bases that are in residential neighbourhoods, as well as the schools from which their predecessors in the Irgun, Haganah and Lehi stored weapons and hid their soldiers.

And when hamas missiles are fired at bases and miss, most adults quickly forget. When hamas spends months planning a massacre at a rave, people give up caring about anything related to hamas.

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Post by nojonestownpls »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #249
notyouraibot wrote: post #181

Bunch of racist Israeli hooligans that were thrown into the Amsterdam Canals got more outrage from the international media and diplomats than a livestreamed cold blooded murder by a terrorist. This is everything you need to know about the world we live in. Palestinian lives simply do not matter.

> Palestinian lives simply do not matter Lives in Palestine get far more attention than Burma, West Africa, Ethiopia and Sudan [1]. The basic truth is lives far removed from us tend to be forgettable. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_confli...

And yet far less attention than those in Ukraine got even at a time when the destruction and killing there was less than 1% of what Palestine has gone through. Within one week of the first attack, Ukraine got more mainstream support, on-air time, and geopolitical response, than Palestine got over a year of suffering through civilian murders and other clear war crimes.

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Post by crote »

bigtex88 wrote: post #290
matteoraso wrote: post #240

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They've already attacked Syria and Lebanon multiple times already. There's no doubt that they're already planning for new wars once this one is over.

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The Netherlands and the United Kingdom (specifically, the Isles of Scilly) were at war from 1651 until 1986, with war declared by The Netherlands. In practice it only lasted for a few months during 1651, was bloodless, and they simply forgot about the formalities. A peace treaty was only signed after a historian asked the government whether they were still at war, and they discovered that they never got around to it so technically they still were!

Does that mean the United Kingdom would not be the aggressor if they were to bomb The Netherlands in 1985?

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Post by Gud »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #387
Gud wrote: post #313

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No offense, but why would you speak about a topic you know little about?

> why would you speak about a topic you know little about? I have knowledge about adjacent topics. I add the caveat in case someone has a source that substantiates or refutes my hypothesis because I’m more interested in learning

Ok, thanks for answering.

I think it’s extremely common to be opinionated about things we don’t know much about. I don’t even know if that’s good or bad, I do find it interesting.

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Post by tguvot »

mardifoufs wrote: post #585
tguvot wrote: post #385

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Actually hamas, pij and other organizations are alive and kicking in West Bank. There are areas that PA doesn't control because of them. Last year PA tried to deal with them, failed and called in Israel in order to take out hamas. PA in West Bank exists only because Israeli military supports it. Also there is non stop attempts (some successful and some not) to execute terror attacks from West Bank. It just never appe…

Still, as you said they are also hunted down and are marginal in the West Bank. It did nothing to stop Israel from settling as they pleased. And the Fatah also stopped armed resistance on their own, and fought off Hamas. So while the PA might only exist now because Israel props them up, that wasn't the case 20 years ago, not to the same extent. The West Bank Palestinians there went for a more pacifist route and in re…

a) not marginal. they are powerful enough to create "no-go zones" for PA and to attempt executing terror acts in Israel

b) i'll suggest you to take a look how many new settlements israel build in last 20 years or so. it may surprise you

c) Fatah didn't stop armed resistance. It military wings got wiped by Israel in second intifada. And it didn't fought off Hamas. It lost to Hamas in Gaza and survived in west bank because Israel is present there

d) west bank palestinians didn't went a more pacifist route [-1]. it's just western media doesn't cover palestinian violence in west bank. as i previously suggested, check out how many new settlements were build in last 20 years.

[-1] https://www.jns.org/over-6300-terror-attacks-against-jews-in...

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