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There isn't just Apple, there's also Google which is a big promoter of PWA's, and in fact they popularized the term. PWA's just never took off.
> There isn't just Apple, there's also Google which is a big promoter of PWA's, and in fact they popularized the term. Google is the primary champion of PWAs, they have a vested interest in its success. The reason I focused on Apple is because its actions are one of a profit-maximizing gatekeeper actively defending its most lucrative business against an existential threat that is PWA. Every bug, every delayed feature…
I cannot agree more and this has always been a pet peeve of mine. Most native apps are some half gig large where even the heaviest website is a few mb. They dont let you highlight text and have other bizarre design choices. Even worse, they request importing contacts list which isnt even an option on the web. Native apps could be butter but more often than not they are like margarine. Smooth, oily, and not good for y…
Not nowadays they aren't.
And haven't been for at least a decade!
Most of us over use (or are addicted to) our phones and especially to social media. Every barrier you can put in you way to prevent opening it is an improvement.
Opening safari and then having to type in the site name is a better barrier than just opening an app. Logging out every time is a barrier. Putting timers on websites through screen time is a barrier. All these tools help us fight against tech controlling us instead of us controlling the tech.
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> Web Apps need to become just Apps. Apps built with the free and open web need equal treatment and integration. Closed and heavily taxed proprietary ecosystems should not receive any preference. That basically already exists on the desktop in the form of Electron apps. Those apps are universally hated because of it. Web technology is not suitable for making applications. It was designed to format text documents and…
>That basically already exists on the desktop in the form of Electron apps. Those apps are universally hated because of it. Discord and Visual Studio Code are among the most popular apps on mac, those are electron apps. None of that is relevant to the core issue either way. It's not up to Apple to decide any of that, that's what the market and regulators are for. Apple uses and pushes self-serving and false narrative…
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> Web Apps need to become just Apps. Apps built with the free and open web need equal treatment and integration. Closed and heavily taxed proprietary ecosystems should not receive any preference. That basically already exists on the desktop in the form of Electron apps. Those apps are universally hated because of it. Web technology is not suitable for making applications. It was designed to format text documents and…
> Those apps are universally hated because of it. Maybe they are hated by nerds on reddit and hackernews. I gather most people are just using the apps and have no idea how they’re built.
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> Those apps are universally hated because of it. Maybe they are hated by nerds on reddit and hackernews. I gather most people are just using the apps and have no idea how they’re built.
> I gather most people are just using the apps and have no idea how they’re built. They may have no idea how they are built, but they do notice how janky and out of place they are. Take for example Microsoft Teams, have you ever met anyone who actually likes that app? It's insane that a simple chat app uses well over a gigabyte of RAM. It's absurd that one of the biggest software companies in the world can't seem to…
For their own operating system that they own the APIs and development tools for, no less!
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> There isn't just Apple, there's also Google which is a big promoter of PWA's, and in fact they popularized the term. Google is the primary champion of PWAs, they have a vested interest in its success. The reason I focused on Apple is because its actions are one of a profit-maximizing gatekeeper actively defending its most lucrative business against an existential threat that is PWA. Every bug, every delayed feature…
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What are you talking about? The ecosystem of the web is VASTLY SUPERIOR to anything else. You're just desperately trying to score a point where the is none to score. You don't have to bend over backwards in defense of gatekeepers like Apple (unless you are a massive shareholder)
>A lot of people following this discussion are all devs in the web space.
I am a web dev myself. I actually started out as a software engineer by making iOS apps.
>However, your prejudice for people has already sealed the future of your discussion, regardless of whether your prejudice is correct.
You're projecting, since I've zero prejudice that's why I made arguments based on concrete evidence and consistently backed up my claims.
Don’t agree, but to each their own. The native app experience for every app noted in the article is better and smoother than the mobile web version, in my opinion. Lots of people hate Electron apps, which suggests to me that my preference for native apps isn’t unique. Web apps can ask for your location or microphone the same way native apps can. Just reject it, there’s nothing that says you have to accept on either p…
The author is not contesting that the app experience is better. Yeah, the web experience is worse -- because the product people are treating the entire web presence as a _marketing surface_ for the app. So, the web version is basically an ad for the app. This is true of Reddit, Yelp, and others. How could it not be worse? It's too bad because it's not like the web is incapable of providing a beautiful ux for those pr…