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Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by pjmlp »

JimDabell wrote: post #632
paulryanrogers wrote: post #393

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> how is Chrome incompatible with web standards? It is one of the best implementer of them. They have so much market share that they control the standards bodies. The tail wags the dog.

This is not true yet, but it’s getting close. The pattern is this: - Google publishes a specification. - They raise request for feedback from the Mozilla and WebKit teams. - Mozilla and WebKit find security and privacy problems. - Google deploys their implementation anyway. - This functionality gets listed on sites like whatpwacando.today - Web developers complain about Safari being behind and accuse Apple of holding…

They are at the edge of transforming the Web into ChromeOS Platform, with the complacency of everyone that helped it become a reality.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by est »

deryilz wrote: post #360
est wrote: post #357

I got downvoted for commenting this, why can't we make a ManifestV2-like framework using .DLLs ? This can enable network control for ad blockers and Google can do nothing about it.

I think the trouble is that certain adblocking features (like skipping ads on YouTube, Twitch, etc) require modifying the page you're viewing in your browser; just filtering network requests isn't enough. So right now a browser extension is the most natural choice for an adblocker, but honestly that might change if browsers keep being so hostile towards them.

expose DOM and JSON to external .DLL then

browsers should have open Web standards as well as open local runtime.

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Post by pyrale »

brookst wrote: post #273
pjmlp wrote: post #136

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A monopoly achieved thanks to everyone that forgot about IE lesson, and instead of learning Web standards, rather ships Chrome alongside their application.

Consumers never really pick products for ideological reasons, no matter how galling that is to ideologues

Oh no, instead consumers pick products because of advertising.

What an improvement.

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Post by tmtvl »

heresie-dabord wrote: post #272
agile-gift0262 wrote: post #117

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I switched to Firefox and it's been wonderful. I wonder why I didn't switch earlier. It's only been a couple of months, but I can't imagine going back to a browser without multi-account containers.

Multi-account containers are brilliant. I recommend the following extensions: * uBlock Origin * Privacy Badger * Multi-Account Containers * Flagfox * Cookie Autodelete

I recommend uBlock Origin, Multi-Account Containers, NoScript Security Suite, CanvasBlocker, and Decentraleyes.

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Post by aziaziazi »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #635
aziaziazi wrote: post #606

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I can’t help seeing ad blockers as fairless content consumption, like choosing to download films, musics and books without paying the creator and the distributor (VOD, MOD, concerts, libraries…). Sounds great for you but how would that work if everyone would do the same? Although we all be happy to se more competition, using an ad blocker on Google sites (and G-add financed-sites) have no positive effect for the comp…

This is a comical view. If protection of downloadable material that someone wants you to pay for, is removed by an ad blocker, then that is broken by design. Make a website that is suitable to sell things, is the solution.

This is a candide view: IRL store use RFID doors for a reason, and customers do pays indirectly for those doors.

However I’m not 100% sure to have understood your phrase so please tell me if I missed your point.

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Post by norskeld »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #633
norskeld wrote: post #613

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Speaking of 'works best in Firefox'... I mainly use Chrome (kinda have to), and it's practically impossible to use it for reviewing big GitHub PRs with many files changed (UI just freezes), but everything's perfectly fine in Firefox!

Could this be a subjective experience? Is it reproducible on multiple machines? And have you tried it with a new profile?

Well, many people have complained about this very issue, and it was actually from this [1] discussion that I learned that Firefox handles big PRs just fine. No amount of jumping through hoops, including creating a new profile, helped to make it work in Chrome.

[1]: https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/39341

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Post by RamblingCTO »

wrasee wrote: post #627
mattigames wrote: post #457

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Hit then where it hurts would be political action, not individuals switching to Firefox, that does nothing.

In a democracy it’s actually the other way around, over time at least. Politicians follow votes.

> Politicians follow votes.

we have enough data to show that this is not the case, in general.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by pyrale »

aziaziazi wrote: post #606
breve wrote: post #159

The best bypass is to use Firefox. uBlock Origin works best in Firefox: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...

I can’t help seeing ad blockers as fairless content consumption, like choosing to download films, musics and books without paying the creator and the distributor (VOD, MOD, concerts, libraries…). Sounds great for you but how would that work if everyone would do the same? Although we all be happy to se more competition, using an ad blocker on Google sites (and G-add financed-sites) have no positive effect for the comp…

> Sounds great for you but how would that work if everyone would do the same?

I guess we would be free from companies such as Meta and Google? Where do I sign up?

You also seem to think that advertisement has no impact on alternative distribution methods. The fact that other viable options are scarce currently only shows that ad companies have a stranglehold on creative industries through their monopoly.

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Post by zelphirkalt »

aziaziazi wrote: post #645
zelphirkalt wrote: post #635

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This is a comical view. If protection of downloadable material that someone wants you to pay for, is removed by an ad blocker, then that is broken by design. Make a website that is suitable to sell things, is the solution.

This is a candide view: IRL store use RFID doors for a reason, and customers do pays indirectly for those doors. However I’m not 100% sure to have understood your phrase so please tell me if I missed your point.

Sorry, I skipped some part while writing. Edited to make sense.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by Barbing »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #386
Barbing wrote: post #31

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I wish I could browse the web kinda like this but minus the human: Make Signal video call to someone in front of a laptop, provide verbal instructions on what to click on, read to my liking, and hang up to be connected with someone else next time. (EFF’s Cover Your Tracks seems to suggest fresh private tabs w/iCloud Private Relay & AdGuard is ineffective. VMs/Cloud Desktops exist but there are apparently telltale sig…

So... you want to use a shared VPN?

Maybe more I want to have a library computer at my house that somehow doesn’t use my ISP or, to go real paranoid, even click/type the way I always do.

I should already be sharing iCloud Private Relay nodes with thousands upon thousands of people. Yet:

“Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the [~240k] tested in the past 45 days.

Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys at least [over a dozen] bits of identifying information.”

-Cover Your Tracks results

Apparently VPN is one thing, but then sites will analyze “operating system, graphics card, firmware version, graphics driver version, installed fonts”, and more. Creepy even though I’m quite vanilla.

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