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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by g8oz »

blindriver wrote: post #471
freehorse wrote: post #419

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It is you that actually has to answer on which rules were broken and which countries do the same . Tbf asking questions to be answered by non-examples is disingenuous. If your argument (2) is that others do it, then you should provide concrete examples similar to the original article. If your argument (1) is that they did not follow some rules, you should either provide specific rules that the author did not follow,…

She tried to enter the country illegally and illegally apply for a work visa. 1) She co-founded a hemp drink company in California as a Canadian. "Jasmine Mooney, an actor who is also co-founder of the beverage brand Holy! Water, was detained on 3 March in San Diego, California." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/18/canadian-act... 2) She applied for a TN visa that was sponsored by her own company, which i…

>>Everything ICE and CBP did was lawful.

That may be true but it's a pretty much a low bar....why the detention for 2 weeks? Why was she not allowed to fly home? Is cruelty the point?

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by [deleted] »

mdp2021 wrote: post #131
drumhead wrote: post #22

If the objective is to scare people off from going to the USA, then they're doing a magnificent job. I've heard other cases of people with green cards being arrested and put in terrible conditions, with absolutely no reason given. This woman was ready to go back home and not enter the US, but instead she was dragged through hell and only released because she was Canadian. All those with different passports get subjec…

Sorry, but only modalities are a new thing, not the discretionary part with all disregard to proportion. Already decades ago people (and high profile people) were stopped at the custom and sent back without justification (reconstructed as "apparent dislike") with the first flight.

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by hattmall »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #522
transcriptase wrote: post #88

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The specifics are seemingly irrelevant to everyone. She had her work visa revoked at the Canadian border because her company in California was allegedly making THC beverages in violation of federal law. She was told to visit a consulate to straighten it out. Instead she flew to Mexico and tried to enter there with new and obviously fake job offer. She was treated like anyone else would, but it’s international news be…

It's international news because she was detained for 2 weeks with no explanation. If they had simply booted her back across the border - which I thought was the default in cases like this, where someone's applying in an orderly manner at a port of entry - few people would have cared.

>If they had simply booted her back across the border

They can't. And this is entirely her fault for trying to enter through Mexico. Telling them she will return to Canada isn't helpful because what are they supposed to do? Tell her ok, go get an Uber to the Airport and just let her go? Mexico would not issue her a VISA either so her only option is US or Mexican Detention. When the agent said "You aren't a criminal" is when she saw that Mexico had denied her re-entry and she was flagged for detention.

Now, I mean, personally I think it would be fine to just let her go because who really cares, but the point of rules/laws/procedures is for them to be followed.

Why did she go to Mexico first? Because she was denied entry in Canada and thought there would be less scrutiny at the Southern Border for Canadians. She was correct, because it worked the first time when she would have likely been denied at the Canadian border for her second crossing, but her initial denial flagged her.

I feel for her, and the situation sucks, but she 100% knows she's trying to game the system, and that's not even bringing up the issues of her self-sponsored TN visa which is dubious.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by wasabi991011 »

leereeves wrote: post #548
fourside wrote: post #543

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This is ironic. I thought there was a big push from the right for less censorship and less moderation in social media. Now we’re flagging posts because the comment section may get heated.

> the comment section may get heated Have you read this discussion? It was already heated, although the comments posted recently have been better. Before greggyb asked why it was flagged, the top comments were about "the dumbest bully from their grade school" and "team grade school bullies". Does that not sound like flag-worthy discussion to you? Name calling like that buries legitimate discussion, like the claim tha…

That seems like a reason to flag the comments, not the article.

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Post by mdp2021 »

mdp2021 wrote: post #230
rocqua wrote: post #171

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Quid pro quo. Hurt the current administration's popularity by inconveniencing US citizens. And in general, Visa free travel is a mutually beneficial deal. If the US stops giving the EU benefits, why shouldn't the EU reciprocate. Personally, I get it but don't support it. I still appreciate my American brethren, just not their administration. We should hit back at the establishment, not the population. Big point there…

> Quid pro quo ... inconveniencing Hitting the innocent is downright criminal.

So, sniper, any arguments? Now you look as if I denounced a vile perspective and some responded with a vile action.

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Post by avereveard »

greggyb wrote: post #237

Why is this flagged? First of all, it's about an entrepreneur traveling to the US for a startup, which is directly relevant to a significant proportion of YCombinator founders themselves. Beyond its direct relevance to the core founding audience of HN, it is not clickbait or wantonly inflammatory, and is clearly of interest to many based on the comment activity and votes.

It's about someone with an denied visa trying to work around due immigration process (going to a consulate) by attempting instead to get to a far away border crossing and attempting a crossing there because, in her own recollection of the events, she knew/assumed the office was less strict.

And while it's a non story it's framed as a scandal because it resonate with the current political climate and the character is sympathetic to the narrative (productive and upstanding character compared to the ones dominating the previous news cycle on the topic)

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Post by hattmall »

rgreeko42 wrote: post #326
dkd903 wrote: post #166

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This is what main stream media propaganda looks like. > Dr Alawieh had traveled last month to Lebanon, her home country, to visit relatives. No, she did not; she attended the funeral of a leader of a US-designated terror organization. https://x.com/DHSgov/status/1901668299793899705

Oh, well if DHS says so on X The Everything Site it must be true

It's not disputed.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/17/us/brown-university-doctor-de...

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Post by Aachen »

Tostino wrote: post #546
greggyb wrote: post #237

Why is this flagged? First of all, it's about an entrepreneur traveling to the US for a startup, which is directly relevant to a significant proportion of YCombinator founders themselves. Beyond its direct relevance to the core founding audience of HN, it is not clickbait or wantonly inflammatory, and is clearly of interest to many based on the comment activity and votes.

I've noticed this a ton lately. So, so many posts completely brigaded. Regardless of if the flag is removed, it can easily stop discussion and visibility of the thread. I emailed Dang about it when I first noticed it happening, and the response... ``` Sorry for the delay in getting back to you—it's been a crazy last few days! Users flagged that one. We can only guess why users flag things, but there have been so many…

Sure, you can take anything to the extreme and then they'll have to mop that up.

Until that's reality, the system mostly works. Let us know if you ever figure out the perfect flagging system where someone can't "buy old accounts en masse" or something

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Post by otikik »

seanw444 wrote: post #349
otikik wrote: post #188

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> Thanks, the EU is full and has enough immigrants EU is full of old people and not enough children. The population pyramid looks like a bullet: https://www.populationpyramid.net/europe/2024/ It's not difficult to see where that leads to, if we stop accepting immigrants.

People don't want the responsibility of having kids and raising them properly, so they substitute their posterity for foreigners as a bandaid fix. EU is truly a yikes.

That is an extremely simplistic view.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by mdp2021 »

instakill wrote: post #377
mdp2021 wrote: post #149

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"Servers must be strict in expression and loose on interpretation" (RFCs); "Respond to the best possible interpretation" (guidelines)... That person was apparently trying to be humane, in her own personal way. Possibly ingenuous, probably in good faith and intention.

where is this guideline text from? Want to explore, tx.

? You have been here for a while, of course I meant

> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I got confused on some words in my memory during the rush, sorry.

Did you understand any different reference?

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