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Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Apple is obviously the vendor for people who like to have their hands held. If you don't like that, make your decision earlier, just don't buy Apple. Worked for me the last decade.

'If you don't like our business practices, don't buy from Standard Oil' type argument

Apple has a monopoly on mobile devices?

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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More like Apple restricts data being shared with 3rd party devices as it then loses all hope of curtailing abuse. As someone who uses Apple because of their MO is not selling everything about me to advertisers this is great news.

Yet Apple is fine letting users browse Safari with an unfiltered internet. If their APIs can't facilitate safe permissions for user data, maybe they need to re-configure their security model to look more like the Mac. UNIX solved this decades ago.

Apple supports content-blockers for Safari. They have since 2015.

Would it have been better if they did it sooner? Sure! But the iPhone has currently had officially supported content-blocking for longer than it lacked it.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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I'm not sure I follow? Every company does what is in their own financial interest. Even b-corps and non-profits have to keep an eye on their balance sheets.

The point is that Apple does not actually care about you on the basis of principles. It only cares about you to the extent that it serves its own financial interests. This is important because Apple could one day decide that caring about you no longer serves its interests. This has already happened with user experience, where even the Settings app now has built-in ads pushing Apple's services. It has also happened wi…

I’m a grown adult who can make my own decisions. If my phone no longer meets my needs, I’ll get a different one, or not use one at all.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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> moving a message over BLE to untrusted hardware and worse accepting them back into iMessage is a massive, massive change in the security boundary Is it? My iPhone replicates messages to my mac from where a process can extract that data, it can capture the screen etc. I can use a mac today to set up a relay that would then send those messages to a smart watch if one would do that.

I agree with you, but your iPhone forwards SMS messages, but not iMessages, and there's a trust relationship between the devices through Keychain. Still, doing it blindly over BLE is a scary proposition.

What is ‘blind’ about sending it to a paired device whitelisted by the user?

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Yet Apple is fine letting users browse Safari with an unfiltered internet. If their APIs can't facilitate safe permissions for user data, maybe they need to re-configure their security model to look more like the Mac. UNIX solved this decades ago.

Apple supports content-blockers for Safari. They have since 2015. Would it have been better if they did it sooner? Sure! But the iPhone has currently had officially supported content-blocking for longer than it lacked it.

You have misread my comment.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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I guess I’ll take the contra here on messages integration — moving a message over BLE to untrusted hardware and worse accepting them back into iMessage is a massive, massive change in the security boundary and therefore security architecture and therefore security promises that apple makes on iMessage. I do not believe average smartwatch users understand what they’d be doing if they got this. I do not believe vendors…

And I'll be the contra to your take: the iMessage ecosystem is so closed that everyone without iphones can barely even interact via sms with iphone users. This is overall such a huge problem that it makes the closed ecosystem security solution not a practical solution

I’ve never had an issue texting via SMS since iMessage was available. Now, I can do RCA as well. What issues should I have encountered?

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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> having a smartphone is becoming a necessity for being a functional part of the society This is correct, as in some countries, you use your phone to authenticate access to banking applications and payments (e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart-ID ). However, I find it a bit of a stretch to claim that having iMessage access on a smartwatch is essential for being a functional member of society. Corporations will…

> people can simply switch to an Android phone Giving all your data to Google (an adtech company) is not an acceptable solution. Not to mention that it's incredibly difficult to leave the Apple ecosystem, by design.

Apple is bad. Google (Android) is bad.

So what is the solution here for the common non-tech savvy smartphone user?

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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You can thank Apple for the Lightning connector and App Store too, for all the good it does everyone in the EU. If a company uses their power to prevent competition with their own products or services, the market's jurisdiction reserves the right to restore competition to their market and prevent the harms inherent to monopoly abuse.

I probably dont get your sarcasm. But I never had a problem with Lightning. In the long run, I like the switch to USB-C... But when I got my first iPhone, USB-C wasn't invented yet, so... Also, I like the AppStore for its reviews, and would actually NEVER activate an alternative appstore. No need to weaken my security on purpose. I know, its apparently an unpopular opinion here, but that is mostly because many people…

Yup, Apple made Lightning because USB-C wasn't a thing yet and MicroUSB is awful. Lightning is a whole lot better than MicroUSB, and they've been using it since 2012. MiniUSB B was pretty OK, Micro was just way too thin to be stable and would snap off frequently, in addition to being not very secure and hard to orient. Mini was thicker though, so while it worked fine for the HTC Apache and other Windows Mobile phones of the era, it wasn't going to be small enough to work on an iPhone.

So many people complaining about a really robust connector that solved real problems and has proven to be pretty reliable for 13 years. I'm no huge Apple fanboi, and I'm happy to have all their stuff use USB-C now, but the hate for Lightning is way inflated IMO.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Something I learned a while ago is that there's a particular brand of very vocal person online who has a bone to pick with Apple. Sometimes it's for a good reason, sometimes less so, but the point is that they come to discussions of any Apple topic with a conclusion ready in hand and then work backwards from that. In this case the conclusion is, "Apple is wicked, perfidious, and monopolistic." Truthfully there isn't…

Interesting conclusion given that pro-Apple comments with provably incorrect claims routinely end up at the top of the HN's comment section, this thread included. Information directly refuting those claims often gets downvoted and suppressed. Why is that?

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Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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I think people forget that Apple is not making devices for the Hackernews community. They are making devices for people that just want something that works pretty well and has reasonable security - even to the extent of protecting them from themselves. They have other things to do with their time than learn about security vulnerabilities and how to avoid them. They want to just click 'yes' on every popup and expect t…

> This is 90% of humanity, including people we all know and love. I'd say more like 95-99% of humanity tbh.

I’ve been a professional software engineer for 20 years and this is how I feel. And I’m an iOS engineer!

I mostly want my phone to just work.

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