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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by anonfordays »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #516
anonfordays wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There is a good reason why the USA was called "world policeman". And Europeans and leftist shit talked the US for it for decades. They called for the US to close military bases around the world, shit talked the amount the US spends on defense, etc. Now that the US is packing up and going home, the same people are screaming for the US to stay and continue being the exact thing they shit talked the US for. What a spec…

Heck yeah bro, we're owning the Europeans! What a win for the USA! Love basing our geopolitical policy, and breaking our honor in keeping commitments on that. So much winning.

>Heck yeah bro, we're owning the Europeans!

Not at all, we're just giving them what they've asked for for decades.

>What a win for the USA!

What a win for the EU! The militaristic "world police" oppressors are leaving!

>Love basing our geopolitical policy, and breaking our honor in keeping commitments on that.

We're being honorable by finally giving Europeans what they've asked for.

So much losing!

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Post by ryandrake »

blargey wrote: post #630
JoshuaDavid wrote: post #550

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Twitter community notes are popular and pretty effective at calling out misleading information that has gone viral (organically or inorganically). I think writing off facts and arguments is premature.

Is that sort of stuff actually effective against propaganda though? I'd assume that by the time a disclaimer is written up, submitted, and accepted according to whatever the criteria is, the original un-disclaimered message has been received and digested by its target audience.

Plus, the propaganda also strongly paints fact checking as a mere ploy by other_team to try to cheat and win. So even if the community notes get to them, they will chalk it up to "liberals trying to hide the real truth."

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Post by gedy »

KittenInABox wrote: post #637
gershy wrote: post #626

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I'm not sure what to think. Ukraine can't militarily defeat russia or reclaim its lost territory, and as long as it continues to try to do so, there will be war and the world will be less stable. But if a line is not drawn against russia, I think we have every reason to believe putin will continue to conquer more land over time. Russia is the source of instability, but it can't be defeated or reasoned with. What to d…

I guarantee you that Russia could've been reasoned with if it was forced to face Ukraine with the full might of US support for another 4 years. Maybe there would need to be some concessions so Putin can look like he came out with a win to the Russian media, but Putin wouldn't have kept going as he was.

> with the full might of US support

Wasn't the time for that 3 years ago (or 11)? I'm not pro Russia, but a war of attrition has always seemed a bad play and half-assed. Especially when Europe is still buying gas from Russia...

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Post by ponector »

Suppafly wrote: post #549
HPMOR wrote: post #403

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I know this is __so___ off topic, but the $ goes in front of the value for USD. It should be $500. Again, again, I know read the room, there's a tragic war going on, and the US is becoming complicit in the tragedy. But if we don't have time to be pedantic about monetary symbols then what good is the freedom we still possess.

People are downvoting this, but I'm always suspicious of comments online that imply they are from the US but mess up simple details that no native US user would mess up.

Special for you: one drone costs as little as 500€. But you can donate even few dollars, everything counts. That is the power of crowdfunding.

That guy by the link, Sternenko, supplied Ukrainian forces with 100 000 drones in 2024.

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Post by codedokode »

amluto wrote: post #361
UncleEntity wrote: post #335

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Nothing's really stopping them from leaving Ukraine, is there? If you don't want to be targeted by kamikaze drones then don't volunteer to be part of an invading force. Back in the day I didn't really complain too much about being targeted when I was running around in Iraq as a civilian contractor. Well, other than the whole 'non-combatant' rules of war Geneva Convention thing but that was my choice as I knew they di…

In slight fairness, I don’t think most of the Russian soldiers are volunteers at this point.

It is not so easy. There are involuntarily drafted people, there are convicts who joined in exchange for a pardon and there are volunteers attracted by huge bonus and salary.

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Post by michpoch »

gershy wrote: post #626
DidYaWipe wrote: post #88

The USA stands in miserable disgrace.

I'm not sure what to think. Ukraine can't militarily defeat russia or reclaim its lost territory, and as long as it continues to try to do so, there will be war and the world will be less stable. But if a line is not drawn against russia, I think we have every reason to believe putin will continue to conquer more land over time. Russia is the source of instability, but it can't be defeated or reasoned with. What to d…

> Ukraine can't militarily defeat russia or reclaim its lost territory,

Allow for long-distance strikes, allow for usage of Starlink without gps limits, send modern equipment. Russian army is barely moving forward even though UA has one of its arm tied on the back.

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Post by ryandrake »

bamboozled wrote: post #427
bradhe wrote: post #112

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Amazing to see Russia win the Cold War—one we didn’t even know we were in. Their propaganda network is so strong that it took 3 weeks to go from “Russia is the enemy” to “eh, we have other problems” amongst the folks who…subscribe accordingly. Absolute masterclass in projecting power in the digital age.

I’m not going to be surprised to read he plans on sending weapons to Russia in the near future. I’m also not going to be surprised when the cult cheers it on as well. Russia has done a great job, good for them I guess?

His cult justifies and allows him to do anything he wants. He could go on TV tomorrow and announce that the US and Russia are merging into one country, and his followers will get right to work spinning how this is actually good, and it's really a 5D chess move, and a genius tactic, and how smart this is for the USA. They (and he) are all incapable of admitting anything he does is wrong.

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Post by sethammons »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #409
maxerickson wrote: post #300

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Does "nuclear weapons" attach to the first half of the or in section 4? Seems they wrote it poorly... "victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used" You are also engaged in some sophistry, where you are acting as if the hypothetical obligation you are discussing is the only possible obligation. Selling aging weapons stock is pretty clearly assistance, and it…

Yes, Nuclear weapons attaches to the first clause.

and if Russia threatens Ukraine with nukes if it joins NATO, is that a nuclear threat?

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Post by codedokode »

gershy wrote: post #626
DidYaWipe wrote: post #88

The USA stands in miserable disgrace.

I'm not sure what to think. Ukraine can't militarily defeat russia or reclaim its lost territory, and as long as it continues to try to do so, there will be war and the world will be less stable. But if a line is not drawn against russia, I think we have every reason to believe putin will continue to conquer more land over time. Russia is the source of instability, but it can't be defeated or reasoned with. What to d…

In theory West could offer something in exchange for peace, so that Russia will not want to break it, for example: withdrawing NATO forces from Eastern Europe, withdrawing nuclear weapon from Europe, lifting sanctions, paying a compensation for losses due to sanctions etc. There is actually a whole spectrum of options for negotiations.
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