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Post by amazingamazing »

Lutger wrote: post #258
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #185

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There are two answers to this. Answer 1: Some people think that LLMs are a path to the singularity, a self-improving intelligent program that will vastly exceed human intelligence and will be able to increase its knowledge exponentially, quickly answering all answerable scientific questions. Answer 2: LLM companies need to keep the hype train rolling. I didn't watch the whole clip; I jumped around a bit, but I notice…

There's a more short-term goal for Grok, which is to replace what is left of the federal government with AI. That will significantly boost the money train, but is also a utopian (for some, dystopian for others) goal of replacing the expensive 'deep state' with a slim set of impartial algorithms.

Is there a citation for this?

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by namaria »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #587
namaria wrote: post #179

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The only plausible explanation for the amount of resources poured into these language models is the hope that they somehow become the origin of AGI, which I think is pretty fanciful. I can feel the cold wind of the next AI winter coming on. It's inevitable. Computers are good at emulating intelligent behavior, people get excited that it's around the corner, and the hype boils over. This isn't the last time this will…

I think the snag I feel in your argument comes from >Computers are good at emulating intelligent behavior Which implies that the brain is some kind of transcendent device that can backdoor physics to output incredible intelligence unique to it's magical structure. Maybe LLMs aren't the key, but as far as we can tell the brain is also just another computer.

Holy strawman batman.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by InTheArena »

spankalee wrote: post #624
InTheArena wrote: post #590

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Elon's unchecked power at building a model? Or at politics? I always worry whenever I see people telling me how to feel - rage in this case. We are in a political system that is oriented more around getting people to feel rage and hatred as opposed to consensus and deliberation. Elon is the face of that, but it's a much longer and larger problem. Throw in the complete dismisal that anyone not scared of this is ignora…

> actually address and fix systematic problems with the US government I wonder if you could even name what some of these critical problems are? Or have you just been told that there are problems that justify this chaos?

I'm happy to, thought the end of your statement strongly suggestions that you have are not acting in honest faith by asking this question. 1) All positions have become partisan, which political ideology being as critical to promotion in high level positions. 2) Congress refuses to act as the constitution intends, and have delegated their budget making authority to the executive branch. 3) The government specific procurement system is almost as expensive as what is being procured. 4) Auditing the government is almost impossible. 5) The debt load on the government is becoming unsustainable. 6) The lack of "digital transformation" (what we called it in banking) means poor service. 7) The unfunded liabilities (mostly at a state level) will swamp budgets in a few years. 8) Most large contracts should be fixed contracts, not cost plus contracts. Companies can do bilk the government for things that are a order of magnitude cheaper to the outside world. 9) Medicare refuses to lower health care costs (by reducing rates) due to political pressure. 10) No rationalization of government spending or revenue has occured since the post world war 2 era.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by silentsanctuary »

niceice wrote: post #598
angusturner wrote: post #520

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

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> TLDR: The status quo elite that have been looting the USA for decades is being replaced by the guy who runs SpaceX and is the most transparent elite we've ever seen. Why is that scarier?

The reason why it's scarier is that for those of us who've come to understand Elon, his actions, and his methods better, it's clear that:

- he IS "the status quo elite that have been looting the USA for decades"

- instead of being an incredibly smart polymath who turns things to gold, it's become obvious his main talent is actually just convincing other people that he's smart

- the successes of Tesla and SpaceX have had to come DESPITE Elon's management, and despite having huge budgets to hire some of the smartest people around, he's still an incredibly weighty anchor pulling them down

- rather than being transparent, he's playing at being a showman - and people who are only passively observing the situation are getting sucked into it

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by jp42 »

littlestymaar wrote: post #502
dmix wrote: post #425

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This severely underestimates the talent still required. Deepseek didn't come out just because it's cheaper, it came out because a very talented team figured out how to make it cheaper.

For Deepseek, I'm not saying otherwise, quite the opposite. But Grok hasn't shown anything that suppose the level of talent that Deepseek exhibited.

even if we assume you are comment is correct. Lets extrapolate what happens next. talented team, biggest compute among all competitors and CEO who is hell bent on winning the race. imo that is the reason it is big deal.

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Post by troyvit »

cbm-vic-20 wrote: post #602
srid wrote: post #541

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I do not share your fear & anxiety. What concrete danger do you imagine will happen as a result of xAI? Try to be as concrete as possible. Also, dang, is there anything we can do to keep the comments on this submission tech-focused? Perhaps the Elon-bashing political digression can be split into its own thread?

The problem, as I see it, is that the results from AI systems will either be used to make decisions, even if those results are flawed. Or worse, those flawed results will be used to justify decisions that negatively impact peoples' lives. This isn't something specific to xAI, but it turns out that the person who controls xAI also holds an unusually strong influence over the highest level government officials. These o…

I think this comment sums it up well. As soon as advanced LLMs started making a splash we all saw the writing on the wall. AI will start taking on large chunks of cognitive load across industry, government, etc. that humans formerly held (It has already been a strong driver in finance).

I for one was ready to welcome my AI overlords once they were mature and tested. It was an inevitability. Because of the relationship between this oligarch and the government though it looks like the time line has accelerated and we're going to see misplaced trust in tools that aren't ready for what we're about to hand them.

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Post by stronglikedan »

angusturner wrote: post #520

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

Elon is only doing good with this not-unchecked power. Everything is on the up and up, despite what your favorite propagandists want you to think. Go Elon!

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Post by llm_trw »

niceice wrote: post #598
angusturner wrote: post #520

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

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To quote Marx on the current churn in the US government:

>The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionising the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society. Conservation of the old modes of production in unaltered form, was, on the contrary, the first condition of existence for all earlier industrial classes. Constant revolutionising of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.

LLM training—and the massive (potential) copyright infringement that everyone is engaging in to train these models—is the latest contradiction in capitalism. For the first time in my lifetime, this contradiction isn’t harming the workers but is instead affecting a segment of the capitalist class.

Not since the abolition of slavery has one class of capitalists required the destruction of another to modernize the means of production.

We are in for an interesting decade.

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Post by hmottestad »

dtquad wrote: post #478
yodsanklai wrote: post #421

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Naive question from a bystander , but since DeepSeek is open source and is on par with o1-pro (is it?), shouldn't we expect that anybody with the computer power is capable to compete with o1-pro?

The full-sized DeepSeek-R1 is on par with o1. o1-pro is "o1 on steroids" and was the first selling point of the $200/month Pro subscription but they later also added "Deep Research" and Operator to the Pro subscription.

For me I was sold on the consistency. o1 does really great at several programming problems, but o1-pro does great on these problems 4 of 4 tries. I get a good answer more often with o1-pro than with just o1, or even o3-mini-high.

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Post by m2024 »

niceice wrote: post #598
angusturner wrote: post #520

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

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