Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

arstechnica.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

641–650 of 981 posts

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

#641

Post by Snild »

crazygringo wrote: post #564
Workaccount2 wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are two different things when it comes to discussing training LLM's on "copyright" protected data, and I almost never see people differentiate. 1.) Training on copyright that is publicly available. You write a poem and publish it online for the world to read. That is your IP, no one else can take it an sell it, but they are free to read and be inspired by it. The legalitly of training on this is in the courts,…

I'm not sure there's any legal distinction though. Is a book publicly available? No, you have to purchase it. But once you do, you're legally allowed to let your friends and family and so forth read it too. As long as you don't sell copies of it (the "copy" part of "copyright"), or meaningfully take away the ability for the publisher to make money from sales (so you can't post it for the whole world to see on the int…

I don't know what the deal is in the relevant jurisdictions, but in Swedish copyright law, the provenance of the original matters ("lovlig förlaga").

This means that it's not legal to download a rip of e.g. a CD that was uploaded without consent, even if you own a copy.

(This exception to the general right to make copies for private use was added in 2005 to make downloading illegal -- previously, only uploading was infringing.)

I would assume just the act of downloading this content was illegal in the relevant US jurisdictions as well.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

#642

Post by wcfrobert »

soheil wrote: post #498
wcfrobert wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VC and startups are fundamentally about disruption. You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs (laws). The incumbent players are not going to sit still and let things be "disrupted". A common response is to make sure the public knows about the broken eggs. I would say youtube, Google, Spotify, Uber, doordash, etc. all have made my life much better.

You don't know a world without them so you actually have no idea if they have made your life compared to that world much better or much worse. How your life was at the time is irrelevant.

Why would I say something is better without a point of comparison?

I was born in the 90s. So definitely alive before YouTube and Spotify albeit as a teenager rather than an adult. I guess you're right I'm not familiar with the world of Sony Walkman, Blockbuster, and IBM PC. But I definitely remember dial-up modems, CDs, Windows 95 and XP. Technology has improved most aspect of my life better since then. (maybe minus all the ads + dopamine slot machines part...)

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

#643

Post by AnthonyMouse »

walrus01 wrote: post #373
johnebgd wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I rooted for Uber to smash the Taxi cartels. Let us not forget that Taxi Cartels were also insidious beasts. Taxi drivers abused their walled garden with their price gouging by taking longer routes, refusal to take a credit card, and extremely poorly maintained fleets of vehicles. I have had mostly good experiences with Uber, whereas I had experiences that mostly bordered on general condescension toward me whenever I…

What's interesting is that in many cities now, Uber and Lyft are in fact more expensive than taxis. And the experience is equally mediocre. The pendulum has swung back the other way. The only thing they have going for them now is the app based convenience, which is eroding as more "yellow cab" type traditional taxis band together and get set up with their own sort of city-specific app.

It's not really that surprising when the cities are passing laws to try to turn Uber back into the taxi cartel by e.g. making it harder for them to use part-time and on-demand contract drivers. The way you get the price down is by reducing friction, increasing flexibility and supply and taking advantage of efficiencies like people willing to do a dozen rides a week during surge pricing without making it a full-time job. Pass bad laws that make things more rigid and they get more expensive.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

#644

Post by turtlesdown11 »

deegles wrote: post #426
rchaud wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Airbnb and Uber have showed us that laws matter only to the extent that the political will to enforce them exists. Throw enough lawyers and lobbying money at the problem and the laws can simply be re-written to be friendlier to your business model.

I've also heard the term "regulatory arbitrage" to describe this.

its a term used to describe "corporate criminal acts" yes

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

#645

Post by wing-_-nuts »

tiahura wrote: post #553
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For downloading papers , paid for with government funding and gatekept by greedy rent seekers charging ~ $30 a pop. The lengths people will go to defend things that should not exist astounds.

What about his family and friends? Do you blame them as well?

Why would I?

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

#646

Post by clarkmoody »

brisky wrote: post #459
johnebgd wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I rooted for Uber to smash the Taxi cartels. Let us not forget that Taxi Cartels were also insidious beasts. Taxi drivers abused their walled garden with their price gouging by taking longer routes, refusal to take a credit card, and extremely poorly maintained fleets of vehicles. I have had mostly good experiences with Uber, whereas I had experiences that mostly bordered on general condescension toward me whenever I…

It is possible that digitization and improvement of taxi services was inevitable anyway

Possible, yes. Probable?

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

#647

Post by turtlesdown11 »

fimdomeio wrote: post #40

It really makes you think about those crazy internet folks from back in the day who thought copyright law was too strict and that restricting humanity to knowledge in such a way was holding us all back for the benefit of a tiny few.

[flagged]

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

#648

Post by wing-_-nuts »

tiahura wrote: post #552
kendalf89 wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's right to downplay the disproportionate response the FBI had to Aaron's actions. He was initially being threatened with 50 years in prison and a $1 million fine, the stress from which sent his mental health spiraling and in no small way contributed to his suicide. I think the original point of the person you are responding to still stands.

You are correct. Prosecutors don’t consider whether charging a perp will upset them and stress them out. Nor should they. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.

Every time I wonder how authoritarian regimes gain power, I remind myself there are people who seem to delight in the suffering of others.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

#649

Post by dietr1ch »

malfist wrote: post #160
dietr1ch wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they are morally required to improve the current state. - Seed the torrent and publicly promote piracy pushing lawmakers. - Contribute with digitisation and open access like Google did in the past. - Make the part of their dataset that was pirated publicly accessible. - Fight stupid copyright laws. I can't believe that copyright lasts more than 20 years. No field moves that slowly, and there should be tighter…

Copyright and patent aren't the same thing. "Fast moving field" doesn't make sense in terms of copyrights. There's no reason the copywriter should last some minimum duration after the life of the creator. If I write a really popular book, I don't want Hollywood to make it into a movie without compensating me just because they waited a few years

> Copyright and patent aren't the same thing.

They achieve the same, lock down knowledge and art.

> If I write a really popular book, I don't want Hollywood to make it into a movie without compensating me just because they waited a few years

If it was good enough maybe they wouldn't risk waiting and having someone else win the 10yr race.

There's just too much stuff that won't make any more money locked behind laws that pretend they magically would.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

#650

Post by AnthonyMouse »

ok_dad wrote: post #635
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #610

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question you should be asking is, what do you want to do about it? Throw the people challenging the taxi cartels in prison, or get rid of the laws against fun lettuce?

Something else, I’m not sure what yet. Honestly, I’m not the best guy to ask but I know that I don’t want startups to continue breaking laws with impunity and I don’t want individuals to get imprisoned for stuff they do that isn’t affecting others in a meaningful way.

There isn't really a something else. You have bad laws that are in practice only enforced against the little guy. You could demand they also be enforced against the big guy, but that's hard to do when they're bad laws, isn't really a great outcome because they're bad laws, and its primary benefit would be in service of calling attention to the flaw so the bad laws can be repealed. And then maybe you should just start there to begin with.
Post reply on HN