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Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

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Post by paulryanrogers »

junto wrote: post #516
meyum33 wrote: post #16

I clicked open the link to find Yahoo has gone dark in China since 2021. Doesn’t work even with a VPN. I miss the good old days of the Web.

The irony is not lost on this oldie either. We used to truly be anonymous. No real names. No photos or videos posted online. JavaScript was limited to the wonders of DHTML. Web pages were documents. Everything felt decentralized, as was intended. I really miss those days. Ok, not the under construction animated gifs, but everything else.

Except for that time browsers used to send your PII along with requests

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

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Post by freehorse »

scarab92 wrote: post #599
daemoens wrote: post #231

The app was shutdown a couple of hours ago in the US and this was the message all TikTok users saw when they opened the app.[1] The same guy who pushed for a ban massively last year, is going to save the app despite the security concerns he and most of our government said they had. If only we knew what happened in that classified briefing that made them vote together across party lines. [1] https://a57.foxnews.com/st…

> If only we knew what happened in that classified briefing Most likely, the rationale will be similar to Huawei and Kaspersky. Not based on actual historical misbehaviour, but rather the amount of power you’re allowing their respective governments to have over US citizens / infrastructure. There are very few “from first principals” thinkers in the world, especially amongst TikTok’s younger audience. Most people take…

The problem may not even be that China can control these narratives as much, but just that they (US as in the government/state institution) can't in the first place. Eg there had been complains about pro-palestine narratives dominating tictoc, even if there was no actual evidence this was manipulated (and I doubt it was). This is why i think that this is a case where the interests of the american people may not necessarily align with the "national" interests of wanting to ban tictoc (while the other cases are more about basic infrastructure or access to that), though i think eventually it will not matter much (if tictoc stays the grip for the US part of it by the US government is probably gonna be firmer).

This also can explain bytedance's approach of support and reassurance towards the incoming administration. I bet they care more about their company and not having to choose between two loss scenarios than about politics/international relations, just like most of big corporations in the world.

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Post by richrichie »

gman83 wrote: post #536
daemoens wrote: post #231

The app was shutdown a couple of hours ago in the US and this was the message all TikTok users saw when they opened the app.[1] The same guy who pushed for a ban massively last year, is going to save the app despite the security concerns he and most of our government said they had. If only we knew what happened in that classified briefing that made them vote together across party lines. [1] https://a57.foxnews.com/st…

He received $100 million from Jeff Yass, the largest American investor in TIkTok. That did the trick.

This is misinformation. There is no evidence that he gave $100 million.

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Post by logicchains »

whoitwas wrote: post #316
firefoxd wrote: post #294

This morning I felt the urge to download TikTok for the first time. I did, but I didn't bother creating an account. There is a passage in the book Life of Pi, where Pi's family is gathered and ready to leave India for Canada. And his mother does something out of the ordinary: > The day before our departure she pointed at a cigarette wallah and earnestly asked, "Should we get a pack or two?" > Father replied, "They ha…

I would like to understand your position. China doesn't allow US apps. If Chinese apps are allowed, then China has a big advantage over USA. Do you understand what kind of information can be derived from 150 million smart phones?

>If Chinese apps are allowed, then China has a big advantage over USA

Historically speaking the biggest threat by far to the lives and livelihood of US citizens is the US government and corporate elite. Giving them more power to control what information the population can access is much more dangerous to the average American than giving the Chinese government some data.

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Post by SecretDreams »

scarab92 wrote: post #599
daemoens wrote: post #231

The app was shutdown a couple of hours ago in the US and this was the message all TikTok users saw when they opened the app.[1] The same guy who pushed for a ban massively last year, is going to save the app despite the security concerns he and most of our government said they had. If only we knew what happened in that classified briefing that made them vote together across party lines. [1] https://a57.foxnews.com/st…

> If only we knew what happened in that classified briefing Most likely, the rationale will be similar to Huawei and Kaspersky. Not based on actual historical misbehaviour, but rather the amount of power you’re allowing their respective governments to have over US citizens / infrastructure. There are very few “from first principals” thinkers in the world, especially amongst TikTok’s younger audience. Most people take…

I will say the one problem with it from the perspective of young people is they always get the dick.

* Young people suffer the hardest from the housing crisis

* Young people suffer the most in any kind of job market challenges

* Young people have the least say in elections

* Young people now give up the app they use that actually makes them happy and helps to forget about how shit the world has become for them. Also an app that makes some of them real money.

Basically, the youth have no real legislation in their favour while their quality of life continues to degrade. I imagine that gets old.

This is a rant from someone who supports the tiktok ban.. but I'd extend it to all social media.

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Post by MemesAndBooze »

every state has the right to enforce whatever laws it prefers within its own borders. it would be nice if the united states allowed other states to be sovereign at home instead of constantly interfering in their political decisions. as a non-american citizen, i couldn't care less if the usa bans tiktok. i consider it a legitimate decision by their government, whether i like it or not.

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Post by marricks »

scarab92 wrote: post #599
daemoens wrote: post #231

The app was shutdown a couple of hours ago in the US and this was the message all TikTok users saw when they opened the app.[1] The same guy who pushed for a ban massively last year, is going to save the app despite the security concerns he and most of our government said they had. If only we knew what happened in that classified briefing that made them vote together across party lines. [1] https://a57.foxnews.com/st…

> If only we knew what happened in that classified briefing Most likely, the rationale will be similar to Huawei and Kaspersky. Not based on actual historical misbehaviour, but rather the amount of power you’re allowing their respective governments to have over US citizens / infrastructure. There are very few “from first principals” thinkers in the world, especially amongst TikTok’s younger audience. Most people take…

The argument seems a bit hysterical, it's not like everyone is forced to use TikTok, they can get hair tips, learn about Gaza, or get whatever views from TikTok, or Facebook, or Twitter, or Twitch or...

American's would have the freedom to choose what social media they want to consume, now they are forced to only have one controlled by a US billionaire.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

infecto wrote: post #638
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #483

The United States has become a parody of itself. Six years ago, The Onion mocked the idea of TikTok being dangerous to the US as a paranoid fantasy.[0] Now, that position is bipartisan consensus. China hysteria appears to have no limits. 0. https://theonion.com/xi-whiz-1844838344/

To think China is not an adversary to the West is simply foolish. Either via blatant cyberattacks, corporate espionage or nefarious trade moves, China is not a friend.

I don't even know what you mean by "adversary to the West."

China is a major country that has its own interests, which sometimes align with and sometimes are at odds with those of the US, EU countries, and other countries that belong to "the West."

The type of simplistic friend/enemy thinking that you're engaging in will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. As China hysteria continues to skyrocket to previously unforseeable levels in the US, the US will take ever more extreme measures, the relationship between the US and China will get worse and worse, and the two will eventually come into real conflict.

The only way to avert that fate is to counter simplistic "China is the enemy" thinking.

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Post by eik21 »

bilekas wrote: post #386
daemoens wrote: post #231

The app was shutdown a couple of hours ago in the US and this was the message all TikTok users saw when they opened the app.[1] The same guy who pushed for a ban massively last year, is going to save the app despite the security concerns he and most of our government said they had. If only we knew what happened in that classified briefing that made them vote together across party lines. [1] https://a57.foxnews.com/st…

This is bizarre.. Maybe I'm wrong but is a president even allowed just unilaterally decide to revoke a law ? Maybe the US should just create some privacy protections instead ?

I mean if a president is allowed to pardon a criminal then I guess this is nothing compared to it
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