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Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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The literal word doesn't have to be there in order to imply that it were extrapolation instead of interpolation. By your logic, there is no implication of interpolation versus extrapolation either. Nvidia simply won't use such terms, I believe.

They did specify [0] that it was intermediate frames they were generating back when the 1st version frame generation was announced with DLSS 3, which does translate to interpolation. It's only natural to assume MFG is the same, just with more than a single intermediate frame being generated. It is also just plain unsound to think that it'd not be interpolation - extrapolating frames into the future means inevitably t…

MFG is almost certainly still interpolation. I'm guessing Reflex 2 is more akin to extrapolation, and might be getting the media to cross wires?

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They did specify [0] that it was intermediate frames they were generating back when the 1st version frame generation was announced with DLSS 3, which does translate to interpolation. It's only natural to assume MFG is the same, just with more than a single intermediate frame being generated. It is also just plain unsound to think that it'd not be interpolation - extrapolating frames into the future means inevitably t…

MFG is almost certainly still interpolation. I'm guessing Reflex 2 is more akin to extrapolation, and might be getting the media to cross wires?

Reflex 2 seems to be asynchronous projection [0]. How the two techs come together when both are enabled, I'm not quite sure how to fit together in my head, but clearly it works fine at least. Hopefully there will be more coverage about these later.

[0] https://youtu.be/7qzJHUbAkZw?t=316

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Many American homes already have 240V sockets (eg: NEMA 14-30) for running clothes dryers, car chargers, etc. These can provide over 7200W continuous power! I guess PC power supplies need to start adopting this standard.

You can't use a NEMA 14-30 to power a PC because 14-30 outlets are split-phase (that's why they have 4 prongs - 2 hot legs, shared neutral, shared ground). To my knowledge, the closest you'll get to split-phase in computing is connecting the redundant PSU in a server to a separate phase or a DC distribution system connected to a multi-phase rectifier, but those are both relegated to the datacenter. You could get an e…

If you installed a European outlet in a US home then it would be using the same split phase configuration that a NEMA 14-30 does. But many appliances will work just fine, so long as they can handle 60 Hz and don't actually require a distinct neutral and ground for safety reasons. Likewise NEMA 10-30, the predecessor to NEMA 14-30 which is still found in older homes, does not have a ground pin.

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The U.S. has been 240V for over a century. It uses split phase which has opposite phases on each hot line to let you take one and connect it to neutral to get 120V. If you connect both hot lines, you get 240V. For some reason, people in Europe and other places are unaware of this despite this having been the case since electrification happened in the early 20th century.

People are aware of this, but the regular sockets are connected to 120V only. You can (easily) hack an electrical circuit ("consumer unit" in UK) to deliver 240V on an existing plug, but that would be a very serious code violation. SO unless you hack your house circuits, you have 120V on regular sockets.

You can replace the receptacles with ones meant for 240VAC at the same time you modify the wiring. Then it should be okay. Replacing the NEMA 5-15 receptacles with NEMA 6-15 receptacles would work.

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If anyone thinks they are having laggier controls or losing latency off of single frames I have a bridge to sell them. A game running at 60 fps averages around ~16 ms and good human reaction times don’t go much below 200ms. Users who “notice” individual frames are usually noticing when a single frame is lagging for the length of several frames at the average rate. They aren’t noticing anything within the span of an a…

you’re conflating reaction times and latency perception. these are not the same. humans can tell the difference down to 10ms, perhaps lower. if you added 200ms latency to your mouse inputs, you’d throw your computer out the of the window pretty quickly.

Or at least defenestrate the mouse.

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most household circuits can only support 15-20 amps at the plug. there will be an upper limit to this and i suspect this is nvidia compromising on TDP in the short term to move faster on compute

I wonder if they will start putting lithium batteries in desktops so they can draw higher peak power.

They already use capacitors for that.

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This years founders edition is what I really want from a GPU. Stop wasting my 2nd PCIe slot because you've made it 3.5/4 slots BIG! It is insane that they are now cooling 575W with two slots in height.

My theory is this is one of the ways nvidia is trying to force ML users to buy the $$$$$ workstation cards. Can't put four 4090s into your PC if every 4090 is 3.5 slots!

You can do single slot 4090 cards using water cooling, so having enormous coolers is not forcing anyone to buy workstation cards to fit things. Alternatively, there are always cases designed for riser cables.

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I wonder if they will start putting lithium batteries in desktops so they can draw higher peak power.

They already use capacitors for that.

Batteries and capacitors would serve different functions. Capacitors primarily isolate each individual chip and subsystem on a PCB from high frequency power fluctuations when digital circuits switch or larger loads turn on or off. You would still need to use capacitors for that. The purpose of the batteries would be to support high loads on the order of minutes that exceed the actual wall plug capacity to deliver electricity. I am thinking specifically of the stove linked in your sibling comment, which uses lithium batteries to provide sustained bursts of power to boil a pot of water in tens of seconds without exceeding the power ratings of the wall plug.

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I wonder if they will start putting lithium batteries in desktops so they can draw higher peak power.

There's a company doing that for stovetops, which I found really interesting ( https://www.impulselabs.com )! Unfortunately, when training on a desktop it's _relatively_ continuous power draw, and can go on for days. :/

Yeah that stove is what I was thinking of!

And good point on training. I don't know what use cases would be supported by a battery, but there's a marketable one I am sure we will hear about it.

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The human eye can't see more than 60 fps anyway

This is factually incorrect and I don't know where people get this idea from. Just moving my mouse around, I can tell the difference between 60 and 144 fps when I move my pointer from my main monitor (144 hz) to my second monitor (60 hz). Watching text scroll is noticeably smoother and with less eye tracking motion blur at 144 hz versus 60. An object moving across my screen at 144 fps will travel fewer pixels per fra…

I remember when it was "the human eye can't see more than cinematic 24fps" sour grapes by people who couldn't get 60fps
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