We can put atomic mines every yard along the cable ... or explode completely this planet.
At the time there will be no more Earth, they will be no more problem with human.
Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted
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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted
#642Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fear is the greatest weapon. You can keep sanctioning them, but you’ll never get anywhere. Give nukes to Ukraine, even pretend ones and war will end in minutes.
> Give nukes to Ukraine, even pretend ones and war will end in minutes This is the wrong answer. But it's clear non-proliferation has failed. If Ukraine had kept its nukes from the 90s, this wouldn't have happened. It would have had the ability to credibly threaten that it had reverse engineered the arming mechanisms.
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#643Earlier quoted context omitted.
The case last year with the gas pipeline, the Chinese / Russian owned left Kaliningrad, and then while sailing, dropped its anchor before the pipeline and cable, and then dragged it over them, and then raised it. It was apparently accidental, yet both the Chinese and Russians didn't want the crew interviewed, the Estonian and the Finnish authorities both shrugged and didn't really care, and the Estonian energy prices…
"Estonian and the Finnish authorities both shrugged and didn't really care" Is this true? Or Are we now in a world where we are all living in fear of actual military retribution for speaking out?
NATO countries don't or barely respond because subversion requires a response.
Russia is constantly pulling low hanging fruit hoping for as much commotion, fear, etc. It's party of their destabilization and subversion tactics.
This is why authorities are not loud, but calm & stoic.
And it works, very few people around me are aware of the fact that Russia has blown up NATO ammunition depots, liquidated politicians and has spread bombs on mail flights.
During WW2 the British had a great slogan: /Keep Calm and Carry On/.
It actually helps the war effort, unlike public outcry, wild speculation & unrest.
Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted
#644It's worth mentioning that cable breakages happen quite often; globally about 200 times per year [1] and the article itself mentions that just last year, two other cables and a gas pipeline were taken out by an anchor. The Gulf of Finland is evidently quite shallow. From what I understand, cable repair ships are likely to use ROVs for parts of repair jobs but only when the water is shallow so hopefully they can figur…
The last time it happened, the Russian ship had also been seen unnaturally going back and forth over the cable where the damage occurred. These damages do not happen by themselves. Considering the current international situation and the fact that it happened in a short time in several places unnaturally in a limited region, the Baltic Sea, you have to be very naive if you do not see this as probable sabotage.
Do we have some kind of time-of-flight system that can find out exactly where a cable damage occurred, the instant that it occurs?
Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted
#645Earlier quoted context omitted.
And also Ireland escorted a Russian spy ship away from their cables: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/16/russian-spy-sh...
A disruption in communications can mean only one thing: invasion.
It can also mean that Russia is posturing and retaliating for the US's announcement that Ukraine can strike inside Russia with US missiles. This feels more like the same kind of exercise that North Korea does with their missile tests than it does an actual invasion.
Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted
#646Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's assuming independence. I'm not ruling out sabotage but the world is often not fully independent. A storm or an anchor both may affect multiple cables if they're in generally the same area which would definitely make the probability far more likely than those stated. (edit typo)
the contrast with independent random events is exactly the point of the comment you've replied to, isn't it?
The grandparent comment is total nonsense which sounds smart but is not. Damages from accidents are not independently random either. Or do you think it is virtually impossible that 140 people die on the same airliner? It is likely the same ship cut both either by accident or intentionally.
I am leaning towards sabotage but that two cables were cut means very little.
Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted
#647Earlier quoted context omitted.
yes, due to geography, success at Voznesensk basically saved Odessa and the rest of the unoccupied South. That is the point - if Russia took Odessa back then it would basically be game-over. I don't see such strategic points like Voznesensk in the Baltic states though.
There is vast difference between just driving somewhere and actually controlling it. Russia learned that in first month of the invasion. If they weren't stopped at Voznesensk, they would be stopped somewhere else - there was singular BTG driving somewhere deep into hostile territory. Another example of BTG driving deep and getting decimated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g68MmLrGvM
>There is vast difference between just driving somewhere and actually controlling it. Russia learned that in first month of the invasion.
I made such comment here in the first hours of the invasion :)
>If they weren't stopped at Voznesensk, they would be stopped somewhere else
if they were able to take the bridge at Voznesensk, that BTG would keep it, and more forces would come that way.
Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted
#648Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's assuming independence. I'm not ruling out sabotage but the world is often not fully independent. A storm or an anchor both may affect multiple cables if they're in generally the same area which would definitely make the probability far more likely than those stated. (edit typo)
the contrast with independent random events is exactly the point of the comment you've replied to, isn't it?
The point is that even without a malicious actor the odds are way lower than you'd think.
Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted
#649Hetzner seems unaffected? ping hel1-speed.hetzner.com Gives me 52ms from Germany which should be about normal?
If you want to know if they are affected, search for "Looking glass hetzner". It will help you better than ICMP PING.
See https://bgp.he.net/AS24940 for example.