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Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by giobox »

the_king wrote: post #593

The single core performance looks really fast. Chip | Geekbench Score (Process) ---- | ------------------------ M1 | 2,419 (5nm) M2 | 2,658 (5nm) M3 | 3,076 (3nm) M4* | 3,810 (3nm) In my experience, single-core CPU is the best all-around indicator of how "fast" a machine feels. I feel like Apple kind of buried this in their press release. M4 benchmark source: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8171874

> I feel like Apple kind of buried this in their press release

The press release describes the single core performance as the fastest ever made, full stop:

"The M4 family features phenomenal single-threaded CPU performance with the world’s fastest CPU core"

The same statement is made repeatedly across most the new M4 line up marketing materials. I think thats enough to get the point across that its a pretty quick machine.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by thenaturalist »

joshdavham wrote: post #620

Question to more senior Mac users: how do you usually decide when to upgrade? I bought my first Macbook pro about a year and a half ago and it's still working great.

Ask 3 people, get 5 answers.

Got the money, are in the consumerism camp: Switch to latest model every year because the camera island changed 5mm.

Got the professional need in games or video and your work isn't covering your device: Switch to new model every couple of generations.

Be me: I want to extend the lifecycle of things I use. Learn how to repair what you own (it's never been as easy), be aware of how you can work in today's world (who needs laptop RAM if I can spin up containers in the cloud) - I expect to not upgrade until a similarly stellar step up in the category of Intel to Apple Silicone comes along.

All past Mx versions being mostly compared to Intel baselines: Boring. M4 1.8 times faster than M1 Pro: Nice, but no QoL change. For the few times I might need it, I can spin up a container in the cloud.

My display is excellent.

14 inch is the perfect screen size.

Battery life is perfect.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by sgarland »

dmz73 wrote: post #562
lukev wrote: post #535

I really respect Apple's privacy focused engineering. They didn't roll out _any_ AI features until they were capable of running them locally, and before doing any cloud-based AI they designed and rolled out Private Cloud Compute. You can argue about whether it's actually bulletproof or not but the fact is, nobody else is even trying, and have lost sight of all privacy-focused features in their rush to ship anything a…

Mac OS calls home every time you execute an application. Apple is well on its way to ensure you can only run things they allow via app store, they would probably already be there if it wasn't for the pesky EU. If you send your computer/phone to Apple for repair you may get back different physical hardware. Those things very much highlight that "your" Apple hardware is not yours and that privacy on Apple hardware does…

With the sheer number of devs who use Macs, there is a 0% chance they’re going to outright prevent running arbitrary executables. Warn / make difficult, sure, but prevent? No.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by abrookewood »

dmz73 wrote: post #562
lukev wrote: post #535

I really respect Apple's privacy focused engineering. They didn't roll out _any_ AI features until they were capable of running them locally, and before doing any cloud-based AI they designed and rolled out Private Cloud Compute. You can argue about whether it's actually bulletproof or not but the fact is, nobody else is even trying, and have lost sight of all privacy-focused features in their rush to ship anything a…

Mac OS calls home every time you execute an application. Apple is well on its way to ensure you can only run things they allow via app store, they would probably already be there if it wasn't for the pesky EU. If you send your computer/phone to Apple for repair you may get back different physical hardware. Those things very much highlight that "your" Apple hardware is not yours and that privacy on Apple hardware does…

Their repair policy, from what I can see, is a thinly veiled attempt to get you to either pay for Apple Care or to upgrade. I got a quote to repair a colleague's MacBook Pro, less than 2 years old, which has apparent 'water damage' and which they want AUD $2,500 to repair! Of course that makes no sense, so we're buying a new one ...

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by magarnicle »

talldayo wrote: post #533
zubiaur wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love mine, it has a fresh battery OEM battery as well. Runs the latest OS with OpenCore Legacy. But it's starting to get a bit annoying. Usable, but it is starting to feel slowish, the fan kicks up frequently. I might still keep it another year or so, which is a testament to how good it is and how relative little progress has happened in almost 10 years.

If it's got a full function row, it will probably work just fine under Linux. My 2014 MBP chugged pretty hard with OpenCore but handles modern Linux distros much better.

Same, the jump to the last few OS versions is not pleasant. Do you get good battery life on Linux with it?

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by pazimzadeh »

the_king wrote: post #593

The single core performance looks really fast. Chip | Geekbench Score (Process) ---- | ------------------------ M1 | 2,419 (5nm) M2 | 2,658 (5nm) M3 | 3,076 (3nm) M4* | 3,810 (3nm) In my experience, single-core CPU is the best all-around indicator of how "fast" a machine feels. I feel like Apple kind of buried this in their press release. M4 benchmark source: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8171874

that's interesting, the scores are accelerating? 9.8% better, 15.7% better, 23.8% better

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by lukev »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #634
lukev wrote: post #617

Earlier quoted context omitted.

End to end encryption by default, such that the cloud provider cannot access my data. Easy.

> End to end encryption by default, such that the cloud provider cannot access my data. The App Store stores a lot of sensitive data about you and is not end-to-end encrypted. They operate it just like everyone else. You also use Gmail, which is just as sensitive as your iMessages, and Gmail is not end-to-end encrypted, so it's not clear you value that as much as you say.

I think "could a creepy admin see my nudes" or "can my messages be mined to create a profile of my preferences" are much more practical working definitions of privacy than "can someone see that I've installed an app".

End-to-end encryption is certainly the most relevant feature for these scenarios.

App store DRM is a red herring, as a developer I can still run as much untrusted code on my MBP as I want and I don't see that going away any time soon.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

misiek08 wrote: post #578
lukev wrote: post #571

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, the security features are pretty well documented. The FBI can't crack a modern iPhone even with Apple's help. A lot of the lockdowns are in service of that. I'm curious: what hardware and software stack do you use?

FBI and Apple „can't”, but 3rd party do and they do it cheaper every day.

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Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by choilive »

the_king wrote: post #593

The single core performance looks really fast. Chip | Geekbench Score (Process) ---- | ------------------------ M1 | 2,419 (5nm) M2 | 2,658 (5nm) M3 | 3,076 (3nm) M4* | 3,810 (3nm) In my experience, single-core CPU is the best all-around indicator of how "fast" a machine feels. I feel like Apple kind of buried this in their press release. M4 benchmark source: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8171874

They also explicitly called it out in their announcement videos that the M4 has the fastest CPU cores on the market.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by switch007 »

lukev wrote: post #571
dmz73 wrote: post #562

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mac OS calls home every time you execute an application. Apple is well on its way to ensure you can only run things they allow via app store, they would probably already be there if it wasn't for the pesky EU. If you send your computer/phone to Apple for repair you may get back different physical hardware. Those things very much highlight that "your" Apple hardware is not yours and that privacy on Apple hardware does…

I mean, the security features are pretty well documented. The FBI can't crack a modern iPhone even with Apple's help. A lot of the lockdowns are in service of that. I'm curious: what hardware and software stack do you use?

Cellebrite Premium 7.69.5 iOS Support Matrix from July 2024.

https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/14344-cellebrite-premium-ju...

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