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Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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The same forces that enable high tech salaries, also make layoffs more likely. - The market for talent is competitive. So companies bid up to the absolute max they can - The market for managers is also competitive. Creating dynamics that lead to larger teams and raises for team members - Companies allow things like remote work, which is a perk, but also has a lot of abuse in terms of how much work gets done The end r…

> There should also be some reasonable government provided safety net

There is, it's called Medicaid.

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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I'm always a bit confused by profitable companies with (presumably) large reserves laying off lots of people. I get that they want to remain profitable. But sure 500ish people could be put to some use? A new product, a new market, a spinoff. Whatever? Are you telling me that no one in such a big, wealthy company of clever engineers has any use for a bunch of talented people?

> A new product, a new market, a spinoff. Five or 10 years ago, they were doing a lot of this. Dropbox Paper ("a collaborative online workspace that allows you to create, share, and edit documents and notes with your team") for one. It's still active but it never took off. I was just notified that there is some sort of migration taking place which is probably related to the RIF.

They also bought that indie email app that was a peer of Inbox.

Neither exists anymore.

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

#643

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> Often that person's leadership wasn't the problem Then what is the problem? Ultimately you’re paid the big bucks for being held responsible. Why isn’t it never something like the CEO doesn’t get any stocks that year. I’m not saying he needs to leave the company but maybe he should take a substantial hit to his pay. He has enough money to put food on the table for many years, unlike the people who are let go where i…

>Why isn’t it never something like the CEO doesn’t get any stocks that year. Performance based compensation is absolutely standard for CEOs- Both in terms of options and stock grants.

> Performance based compensation is absolutely standard for CEOs- Both in terms of options and stock grants.

Yes but you’re still making $1.5M after a 34% haircut. That seems like a reward, and not any real sense of taking responsibility when you have to let go 1 in 5. Wouldn’t it be better if he just got a base salary of 200K or something and no stocks for that year? He already has a bunch of equity and if he does well at the end of the year, that equity will be worth more anyway.

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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Request: Any tech-recruiters on here who can validate this? I spent a single month in June job hunting (mid-level SWE, DE roles) and it was terrible. Hundreds of applicants per position. It felt like being a fresh-grad again. But that's just my anecdata

No luck from your connections at previous jobs? That's always the best way in.

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

#645

Remember how there used to be a blog (or maybe it was a Tumblr, I forget) that documented every "Our incredible journey" post that inevitably announced the start-up's closure? I think we need another one for "An update from ", as this has seemingly become the standard subject to use when you're announcing layoffs or data breaches. I saw an identical headline earlier today from Sony announcing a studio closure: https:…

I always think it's a bit weird how people put so much effort and angst into (over)analyzing the language that execs use in layoff announcements in the first place.

It's a layoff. Yeah, it sucks, and no matter what the CEO says people will be pissed. Better to just take the same good advice as when starting a new relationship: "Just ignore everything they say, and only consider what they do." I.e. is the severance package good? Are folks given some assistance/recommendations finding new jobs? If so, I couldn't care less about what the preamble in the layoff announcement looks like.

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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post #641

The same forces that enable high tech salaries, also make layoffs more likely. - The market for talent is competitive. So companies bid up to the absolute max they can - The market for managers is also competitive. Creating dynamics that lead to larger teams and raises for team members - Companies allow things like remote work, which is a perk, but also has a lot of abuse in terms of how much work gets done The end r…

> There should also be some reasonable government provided safety net There is, it's called Medicaid.

They said reasonable, not "endlessly-patched-up nonsense that conservatives want to gut at every turn"

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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That last paragraph could have been taken directly out of the defense contractor lobbyist handbook. Congratulations. Seriously -- we don't have military commitments to "underpin the global order". We have military commitments to "protect our political and economic interests" -- and who do those benefit? The American people? Nah, not really. But the American people are the ones footing the bill for it, choosing to red…

Seriously -- we don't have military commitments to "underpin the global order". We have military commitments to "protect our political and economic interests" -- and who do those benefit? The American people? Nah, not really. But the American people are the ones footing the bill for it, choosing to reduce our own quality of life in order to exert power over other nations (and invade them at will). Of course, it's our…

>Some form of downsizing is inevitable especially if we want to reap the peace dividend but it's clear that we had gone too far in the way we downsized.

Not true. We downsized and consolidated immensely after WW2 and it was mostly good. We had tens of aircraft manufacturers and only a couple survived the war. They went on to build some of the best aircraft ever made, in both the public and private sectors.

Government contracting sucks because it is made to suck. Conservative opinion for 50 years was that the government shouldn't be allowed to do anything, and they've had broad political support in that opinion. When the government isn't allowed to do anything on it's own or have any competencies at all, they are a captive market and have no choice than to deal with a flopping company like Boeing.

America spends a shitload of money on the military because we have a goddamned giant military. We own 4 out of the top 5 air forces. We have more transport planes converted to "Spooky" style gunships than most air forces have transport planes period. We have a legally mandated requirement of 11 megaship aircraft carriers, each one costing the full defense budget of a small nation. We are aiming for 1000 F35s, which is a magic machine sure but that's a lot of really really top tier planes. We have 450k active duty soldiers, all getting reasonable benefits and slightly low pay.

Every country has procurement boondoggles. The Navy for example needs to be slapped so they stop burning cash on outright bad ideas, and maybe take some ideas from the European navies who have good ships that aren't anything magical sure, but being acceptable for a while is better than having to rely on ships built in the 70s because you literally have not built a functioning warship since. At the same time, the carriers, megaprojects that they are, have done fine.

The army meanwhile is incapable at procurement, but it's always been that way. The US has built basically 2.5 good tanks in it's entire existence, and the army inexplicably refuses to build a modern self propelled howitzer despite ample evidence to the contrary that future wars include large scale bombardment. Despite that, the Bradley has absolutely proved itself, the Striker even manages to be almost useful though not cost effective, and the MRAPs are a success. The US army has booted up new projects and cancelled most of them for its entire existence, but they're just exploring options thoroughly. US army has done terribly for cheap guided munitions though. The $186k Excalibur artillery shell? Significantly blunted by GPS jamming. Meanwhile Russia's Krasnopol laser guided artillery shell is much cheaper, harder to jam, and would work great for America's "always have ten drones looking at each target" Air Force doctrine. We should steal it. Everything from Switchblade is ineffective and ridiculously overpriced compared to the $600 FPV drones that replace it and carry a much better warhead. We should make our own shahed as well (South korea is). I expect if we ever get in a meaningful war though, cheap options will very quickly get to market.

The Air Force built the F35 which, despite (literally RT influenced) detractors, has mostly been a success. The giant sticker price always thrown about covers 50 years of operations, not just the purchase and development. Boeing is leaving failures on the table but that's because Boeing itself is failing the same way most American companies fail: Managers with little internal experience who treat every company as that can be managed the same way as they learned in econ 101. Line go up. Investment in knowledge and technology? No thanks, that doesn't make line go up! Meanwhile, the B-21 raider is under budget (because of inflation lol) and absolutely a stunning machine in terms of capability. We have maintained stealth leadership despite massive amounts of espionage.

US military R&D is probably more conglomerated than is healthy in any market, but so far the main bad actor has been Boeing (the stupid ships were built acceptably, the Navy's designs were just bad ideas and overpriced tech demonstrators) and you can't blame Boeing's bad behavior on Consolidation, rather you should blame it on what is essentially a market monopoly. The US abstained from protecting competitive markets for 50 years, under outright stupid policy, and we are seeing the obvious result.

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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> COBRA is the single largest expense for departing employees. Life pro tip: Do not use COBRA!!!!! It is almost always much, much cheaper to find an ACA compliant healthcare plan on your state's health insurance market. For one thing the plans will often be cheaper (though with fewer features). For another ACA plans qualify for tax credits, etc and COBRA doesn't. When I got laid off I made one of the worst financial…

Please look at your individual situation and don't take this suggestion blindly. If you've already contributed significantly to your deductible or out-of-pocket maximum it can definitely make sense to continue with COBRA. Also you can game the COBRA enrollment window. You have 60 days from your loss of coverage to elect COBRA and once you elect COBRA you have another 45 days to submit payment. You can elect on the 59…

> Please look at your individual situation and don't take this suggestion blindly.

Exactly. The message here is it is incredibly important to re-evaluate your healthcare plan. Every household is going to be different! Bust out excel and crunch the numbers.

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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Some people do exactly that but it's rare that someone will simultaneously have the drive to do something that will generate them billions of dollars and also be willing or able to just stop working at that point. Also remember once you have that much money a lot of things become basically free, both figuratively ($100,000 to a billionaire is nothing) and literally (comped rooms, gifts, etc for basically every event…

True, it’s probably that this drive is what allowed them to be billionaires in the first place. Just to rant a bit more: the Wordpress situation makes this point even more crazy to me. Mullenweg has about 400m and instead of retiring and enjoying life, he’s arguing with anonymous users on Hacker News. No offense against hacker news but defending my life decisions on HN isn’t exactly the first thing I would do if I co…

The internet is a direct pipe to every person on earth. You have to acknowledge that this is new territory for humankind.

In fact, internet communication is much closer to dark-age "public square" type communication. Bring your soapbox to the square, talk loudly, gather a crowd, and listen to the crowd jeer or clap. We haven't had that since the industrial revolution pre-1800s (i.e. at the earliest 1700s)

For the forseeable future, we are in a situation where people will "feel" that the most authentic communication is intentionally said in-front of the internet bystanders. So a CEO posting an intimate reply to an individual with billions of people able to see the intimate reply is more "authentic" than everything else.

(Much closer to dark-age communication implies that we are closer to "old" methods of communication that disappeared for the last couple of centuries. We used to have industrial revolution-type communication medium, one-direction broadcast medium.)

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