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Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by knolan »

e1g wrote: post #618
knolan wrote: post #599

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went from a 2560x1600 27” 2012 iMac to a 5K 2015 iMac. The 2015 model was the first not to offer target display mode, so it’s even worse than you say. For a while I ran the 2012 as a second display for the 2015. The 2012 iMac is long gone, passed to a friend, but I still daily drive the 2015 5K. I’m interested in the new iMac but the 24” screen feels like a downgrade. The 27” studio display seems like a nice option…

I used your iMac as the daily driver for years, and now use the 27” Studio Display. I don’t know what’s more frustrating: that it’s still effectively the same panel 10 years later, or that it’s still the best one (for reasonable money).

I was tempted to gut it and stick in a display driver board but that comes with a risk of destroying the thing. It’s still running fine and I could find use for it elsewhere.

But you’re right. It’s a damned fine display.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by anvuong »

slashdave wrote: post #379
dlevine wrote: post #348

I'm surprised they are still shipping these with 256GB of storage base. I had a Macbook with a ~500GB SSD in 2012 (I installed it), and a 500GB spinning disk in like 2008 (also user installed). A 500GB SSD can be had for <$50 these days, and a 1TB for <$100. Still plenty of profit for Apple, even if they bump up the base storage to 512GB and make 1TB a $200 upgrade...

These are not ordinary SSDs, which (via SATA) are dirt slow in comparison.

What year are you currently living in? A good 2TB Gen5 NVMe with W/R speed upto 7,000MB/s can be had for less than $200 during sales that happen multiple times a year. Go down 1 tier lower to 4,000-5,000MB/s and you can have one for just $120. Nobody puts SATA in premium laptops, hasn't been the case for quite the few years, you got brainwashed good by Apple.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by leptons »

llm_nerd wrote: post #512
leptons wrote: post #305

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I'd sooner believe it's because they want you to buy 2 of them, so you can charge one while using the other.

Zero people on the planet do this. The mouse port thing is like a canary in the coal mine, betraying the people who just like taking shots at Apple, but generally are very ill informed. I think Apple should keep the port on the bottom purely so we can get the shortcut to discarding people's opinions when they hoist it up to concern troll. For actual Apple Mouse users, charging is just the least concerning thing imagi…

>"Zero people on the planet do this."

You cannot reasonably make this assertion and expect that it's true. I mean, you outed yourself right there as someone not capable of a reasonable discussion. Sort of a "canary in a coal mine" of your own.

I have never once had my Logitech mice run out of batter, not once, not ever. It charges as I use it. I'll take that all day long over the "magic mouse" with a charging port underneath so you can't even use the thing if it runs out of battery an an inopportune moment. But sure, go through the mental gymnastics of excusing a really bad design by Apple because you're an obvious fanboy.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by HumblyTossed »

GeekyBear wrote: post #378
baron816 wrote: post #48

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Now if only they could figure out how to allow charging the Magic Mouse while it’s being used. I guess that technology is still years away.

Given that the lightning version picks up a nine hour charge in the time it takes to take a bathroom break or go get a cup of coffee, this is more of an excuse to make fun of the design than it is a real world show stopper. > The Apple Mouse 2 also comes with a Quick Charge feature that provides nine hours of use with a two-minute charge. https://www.jackery.com/blogs/knowledge/how-to-charge-apple-...

> ... this is more of an excuse to make fun of the design than it is a real world show stopper.

It's still a shitty design born of hubris.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by kristianp »

canucker2016 wrote: post #497
minimaxir wrote: post #3

16GB base RAM, they finally did it. They also did move the Magic Keyboard and Magic Mouse to USB-C.

Brought to you by AI and the EU. The DRAM makers must love AI, low end iPhones increase RAM 33% (6GB -> 8GB), low end iMacs go from 8GB to 16GB.

What is the EUs influence there?

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by michaelt »

acdha wrote: post #373
michaelt wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends where you are in your life, I suspect. A person in college on a tight budget might choose a budget-conscious PC, with an average amount of RAM and a modest hard drive. A few years later, component prices will have fallen and the PC will be showing its age thanks to its modest components. Adding a larger hard drive and more RAM will get a few more years out of it. On the other hand, a mid-career professional p…

If they bought a “budget conscious” PC, what are the odds that they’ll have hit the limits of their RAM but not any other component? If they bought a cheap laptop, for example, what are the odds that the hardware isn’t starting to fail? If it’s a desktop, what are the odds that by the time they need a new CPU a worthwhile upgrade will still be socket-compatible? Usually the budget options are already well into the se…

> If they bought a “budget conscious” PC, what are the odds that they’ll have hit the limits of their RAM but not any other component?

20 years ago, a budget-conscious 1.3GHz CPU for $130 was just a binned version of a high-end 1.6GHz $339 CPU. So the budget-conscious CPU would have pretty much the same longevity as a higher-end CPU.

10 years ago, a budget-conscious user could pick up a 4-physical-core ~3GHz CPU for ~$192 (like the i5-4590). Today you'd be due for an upgrade, but it wouldn't be unusably slow. Indeed, Intel are still selling 4-physical-core ~3GHz CPUs to this day, like the i3-14100.

And of course components like sound cards and gigabit ethernet ports don't really 'hit their limits'. You'll probably want to upgrade your wifi, admittedly - but a USB dongle is what, $20?

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Post by throwaway48476 »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #254
jfoster wrote: post #76

I could never justify getting an iMac. All the downsides of a laptop & desktop in one; not upgradeable and not portable. Leaves me wondering how many of these Apple actually sell. A Mac Mini with a separate screen feels like it makes far more sense.

> not upgradeable and not portable your average user (aka not HN-er) doesn't upgrade their computer an all-in-one solution is very attractive for families or situations where you don't need to tote around a laptop and you want a large screen

Average user tells average HNer their computer is slow and the HNer does the upgrade.

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Post by [deleted] »

canucker2016 wrote: post #497
minimaxir wrote: post #3

16GB base RAM, they finally did it. They also did move the Magic Keyboard and Magic Mouse to USB-C.

Brought to you by AI and the EU. The DRAM makers must love AI, low end iPhones increase RAM 33% (6GB -> 8GB), low end iMacs go from 8GB to 16GB.

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Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by knutwannheden »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #366

Right now, the Apple computer lineup is totally out of alignment for me. The iMac is too small and the laptops are too big. I'd like a minimum 27" display for the iMac, maybe 31". For a laptop, give me something more portable, like the old 2 pound, 12" MacBook.

Changing screen sizes appears to be a very common theme for Apple. That way they can a few years later re-introduce the old screen sizes as the best invention since sliced bread. Very annoying. I would also have liked to see a 24"+ model.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by exabrial »

> M4, iMac is up to 1.7x faster for daily productivity, and up to 2.1x faster for demanding workflows like photo editing and gaming, compared to iMac with M1

Huh? how about than an M3?

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