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>i hate how Zionism has become a bad word What do you consider worse? The Genocide of the people of Gaza and the occupation? Or that the Zionism is now a bad word?

what i consider the worse is October 7 when Israel was attacked by the terrorists Hamas. if you can condemn Hamas, then we can have a conversation

Can you condemn the atrocities of October 6th?

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What's "legitimate piracy"? As a reminder, the scheme was designed to work exactly like typical lending libraries. Publishers were unable to show any harm, and the only evidence available proved they actually benefited from better sales thanks to the Internet Archive. Authors were clearly benefited. https://www.techdirt.com/2024/09/05/second-circuit-says-libr... But I agree, no need to put them on a pedestal. Nobody…

> As a reminder, the scheme was designed to work exactly like typical lending libraries. Wasn't the issue precisely that they removed that limitation and then never added it again?

Not really. I couldn't locate anywhere in the ruling an indication that the number of copies borrowed at any one time was a factor in the decision.

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post #565

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> As a reminder, the scheme was designed to work exactly like typical lending libraries. Wasn't the issue precisely that they removed that limitation and then never added it again?

Not really. I couldn't locate anywhere in the ruling an indication that the number of copies borrowed at any one time was a factor in the decision.

That's unfortunately exactly what happened though:

> He unveiled the National Emergency Library, a vast trove of digital books mostly unavailable elsewhere, and made access to it a breeze. This good deed backfired spectacularly. Four publishers claimed “willful mass copyright infringement” and sued. They won. On Friday, the publishers said through their trade association that they had negotiated a deal with the archive that would remove all their copyright books from the site.

Source: https://archive.ph/tFMY1#selection-841.212-853.182

And here's the announcement from Archive.org when they rolled out this feature: https://archive.ph/vGoMq

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> How long does an average hard drive last? This is a great question, and a state of the art kind of thing. HDDs are sold with a lifetime drive read/write amount and power cycle warranty, along with usually some environmental operating envelope. read/write relates to the quality/space of the platter, power cycle is usually the actuator & read/write head being reseated/wearing out. Environment is the same as all other…

There's also the fact that hard drive capacities keep increasing and increasing significantly faster that the power required, and sooner or later for very long term storage it'd become cheaper to migrate all your data from those 5 year old 4TB drives to more modern 16TB ones. That's assuming you want hot access to the data and don't plan on spinning them down as soon as you've written to them, like you'd do for a col…

Just don't forget that IO matters.

Drives do 140-220MB/s depending on the LBA distance of the readhead, and that's not really changing. 160MB/s is very common.

So your 8TB drives, assuming 1MiB writes with a 20ms latency and 160MB/s, you can rewrite the drive ~155 times/year. At 20T this drops to ~62 times/yr.

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post #643

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Not really. I couldn't locate anywhere in the ruling an indication that the number of copies borrowed at any one time was a factor in the decision.

That's unfortunately exactly what happened though: > He unveiled the National Emergency Library, a vast trove of digital books mostly unavailable elsewhere, and made access to it a breeze. This good deed backfired spectacularly. Four publishers claimed “willful mass copyright infringement” and sued. They won. On Friday, the publishers said through their trade association that they had negotiated a deal with the archi…

There is no evidence that, under the NEL, more digital copies of books were borrowed than physical copies were (un)available in the closed libraries. I've not re-read all the materials from the lower court recently, but IIRC publishers didn't even bother to argue this point. Did you find any place where the judge relied on this?

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post #643

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That's unfortunately exactly what happened though: > He unveiled the National Emergency Library, a vast trove of digital books mostly unavailable elsewhere, and made access to it a breeze. This good deed backfired spectacularly. Four publishers claimed “willful mass copyright infringement” and sued. They won. On Friday, the publishers said through their trade association that they had negotiated a deal with the archi…

There is no evidence that, under the NEL, more digital copies of books were borrowed than physical copies were (un)available in the closed libraries. I've not re-read all the materials from the lower court recently, but IIRC publishers didn't even bother to argue this point. Did you find any place where the judge relied on this?

> Both sides filed motions for summary judgment. Judge John G. Koeltl ruled on March 24, 2023, saying the National Emergency Library concept was not fair use, thus the Archive infringed copyright by lending full ebook copies without the waitlist restriction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachette_v._Internet_Archive

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post #647

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There is no evidence that, under the NEL, more digital copies of books were borrowed than physical copies were (un)available in the closed libraries. I've not re-read all the materials from the lower court recently, but IIRC publishers didn't even bother to argue this point. Did you find any place where the judge relied on this?

> Both sides filed motions for summary judgment. Judge John G. Koeltl ruled on March 24, 2023, saying the National Emergency Library concept was not fair use, thus the Archive infringed copyright by lending full ebook copies without the waitlist restriction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachette_v._Internet_Archive

Yeah, that's incorrect. I've fixed it now. A better summary is lower down:

> Judge John G. Koeltl held that the Internet Archive's scanning and lending of complete copies clearly constituted a prima facie case of copyright infringement and that the Internet Archive's fair use defense failed all four factors of the "fair use test". He rejected the Archive's argument that their scanning and lending of complete books was "transformative" in the sense of copyright law.

I've just skimmed the ruling again and I don't find anywhere a statement that the number of copies in circulation for any individual book was a deciding factor. Instead the judge stressed the total number of books involved.

> Although IA has the right to lend print books it lawfully acquired, it does not have the right to scan those books and lend the digital copies en masse. To hold otherwise would be to ignore the teaching of the Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Google Books that there would be a “strong” claim for copyright infringement if Google had distributed digitized copies of complete books.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hachette_v._Inter...

Ah yes, I found it now.

> Even full enforcement of a one-to-one owned-to-loaned ratio, however, would not excuse IA's reproduction of the Works in Suit.

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