Mira Murati leaves OpenAI • Hacker News Board

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by nopromisessir » Tue, Oct 01, 2024, 9:12 AM UTC

apwell23 wrote: post #612

nopromisessir wrote: post #140

She might just be stressed out. Happens all the time. She's in a very demanding position. She's a pro. Lots to learn from watching how she operates.

Are you her friend or something. you created this profile to post on just one topic?

No. Never met her.

I study managers. She's a manager. HN is rife with defamation. Sometimes I push back where it's particularly egregious and on a topic I know well.

Honestly, I bother a lot less. I'm not sure there is hope for this community.

The same happened with reddit.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by int_19h » Tue, Oct 01, 2024, 6:07 PM UTC

consteval wrote: post #602

int_19h wrote: post #600

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Of course there are such questions. When it comes to even simple puzzles, there are infinitely many permutations possible wrt how the pieces are arranged, for example - hell, you could generate such puzzles with a script. No amount of precanned training data can possibly cover all such combinations, meaning that the model has to learn how to apply the concepts that make solution possible (which includes things such a…

Right, but typically LLMs are really poor at this. I can come up with some arbitrary systems of equations for it to solve and odds are it will be wrong. Maybe even very wrong.

That is more indicative of the quality of their reasoning than their ability to reason in principle, though. And maybe even quality of their reasoning specifically in this domain - e.g. it's not a secret that most major models are notoriously bad at tasks involving things like counting letters, but we also know that if you specifically train a model to do that, it does in fact drastically improve its performance.

On the whole I think it shouldn't be surprising that even top-of-the-line LLMs today can't reason as well as a human - they aren't anywhere near as complex as our brains. But if it is a question of quality rather than a fundamental disability, then larger models and better NN designs should be able to gradually push the envelope.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by elbear » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 6:09 AM UTC

0xKromo wrote: post #448

elbear wrote: post #442

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Are they? In my recent experience, ChatGPT seems to have gotten better than Claude again. Plus their free limit is more strict, so this experience is on the free account.

Its just tribalism. People tend to find a team to root for when there is a competition. Which one is better is subjective at this point imo.

Well, I use both of them all of the time, so I'm in a better position to compare them. Sometimes, I tend to prefer one, like ChatGPT after Claude decreased the free quota, but I still choose it sometimes, because I still find value in its answers.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by learningstud » Fri, Oct 04, 2024, 5:36 PM UTC

navjack27 wrote: post #514

Okay hear me out. Restructuring for profit right? There will probably be companies spawned off of all of these leaving. If the government ever wants a third party to oversee safety of openAI wouldn't it be convenient if one of those that left the company started a company that focused on safety. Safe Superintelligence Inc. gets the bid because lobbying because whatever I don't even care what the reason is in this mad…

> If the government ever wants a third party to oversee safety of openAI

No, please don't drag the government into this. Don't call for regulation when we don't know it's implications. Once we gain enough insight, the benefits of regulations and government interventions will most likely outweigh the costs. Laissez-faire is the way to go. When can we learn from history?