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Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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Post by giovannibonetti »

mattmaroon wrote: post #630
silexia wrote: post #557

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Monopoly is the keyword here. Ticketmaster and Boeing and all the other nefarious companies here use PATENTS to prevent competitors from eating their lunch. Patents need to be done away with to allow free competition, don't believe the propaganda about patents helping creators

I love it when a system has been working for hundreds of years through by far the most prosperous time in human history but people on the internet are sure it is wrong. No proof, no evidence, not even logic, just certainty. Also, I don’t think any of the issues with Ticketmaster have anything to do with patents.

Maybe we could just reduce the patent's duration to compensate for the acceleration of information diffusion caused by the internet in the last few decades. Does that seem reasonable to you?

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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Post by dgb23 »

namaria wrote: post #501
dgb23 wrote: post #157

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Perhaps not at the top in terms of day to day decision making and wealth, but the first that came to mind would be celtic druids and bards.

I'd love to know more, can you point me to some sources?

I'm sorry it's just a vague intuition from watching a lot of documentaries about the Celts and very light internet research.

But generally speaking Druids had an oral tradition of maintaining knowledge in Celtic society. They had inter-tribe gatherings and went through long and difficult training.

Specifically also law. So they had at least the power of judges and to some degree law makers.

Perhaps you can find out more with some of these keywords.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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Post by some_random »

mattmaroon wrote: post #630
silexia wrote: post #557

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Monopoly is the keyword here. Ticketmaster and Boeing and all the other nefarious companies here use PATENTS to prevent competitors from eating their lunch. Patents need to be done away with to allow free competition, don't believe the propaganda about patents helping creators

I love it when a system has been working for hundreds of years through by far the most prosperous time in human history but people on the internet are sure it is wrong. No proof, no evidence, not even logic, just certainty. Also, I don’t think any of the issues with Ticketmaster have anything to do with patents.

Yeah seriously, what patents are we talking about here? My understanding is that reason Ticketmaster is a monopoly is through deals with venues

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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Post by some_random »

silexia wrote: post #557
ikesau wrote: post #14

Really good post! I also found this quote which distilled their position in the 404media coverage of the situation. > “What I can say for sure is that TicketMaster and AXS have had every opportunity to support scam-free third party ticket resale and delivery platforms if they wished: By documenting their ticket QR code cryptography, and by exposing apps and APIs which would allow verification and rotation of ticket s…

Monopoly is the keyword here. Ticketmaster and Boeing and all the other nefarious companies here use PATENTS to prevent competitors from eating their lunch. Patents need to be done away with to allow free competition, don't believe the propaganda about patents helping creators

What patents does Ticketmaster have that stop competitors from selling tickets?

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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Post by hnuser435 »

carlosjobim wrote: post #580
nedt wrote: post #554

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True. I feel it, it's locked without my face and I can track it.

Have a picture of your ID on your phone, like every other person has. Or bring a photocopy of your ID that you can throw away after entering.

I don't.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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Post by fallingknife »

treyd wrote: post #640
Steven420 wrote: post #574

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If you don't have a patent on an invention then how do you protect it from people who will just steal what you have spent time/money creating?

This is what patents used to do, but the economic and technological circumstances under which they did have changed dramatically over the last couple hundred years. All they really do now is entrench the power of the massive corporations with the capital to buy them up and sue anyone that they think encroach. It's not promoting innovation anymore, it's stifling it.

Patents can be filed for around $2000

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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Post by valleyer »

SoftTalker wrote: post #646

I don't understand how they're allowed to get aorund the first sale doctrine? Once I buy a ticket, it's my property. I should be able to sell it, by any means I want, to any person I want, at any price we agree upon.

Just addressing the how: the first sale doctrine applies to copies of copyrighted works, not to tickets.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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Post by fallingknife »

TrinaryWorksToo wrote: post #582
Steven420 wrote: post #574

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't have a patent on an invention then how do you protect it from people who will just steal what you have spent time/money creating?

Patents no longer go to individual people. They go to corporations. Perhaps we should ban corporations from getting patents on behalf of people.

So the work of 1000 people at a company may have gone into developing the tech that is to be patented, but we must restrict the patent to being owned by one single individual?

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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Post by worik »

SoftTalker wrote: post #646

I don't understand how they're allowed to get aorund the first sale doctrine? Once I buy a ticket, it's my property. I should be able to sell it, by any means I want, to any person I want, at any price we agree upon.

And they do not have to sell you bulk tickets that makes scalping a viable business

They want to monopolise scalping

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